G08 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 9 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: Something Grossman couldn't ever help himself from doing. Which is odd because in Grossman's only full season with the Chicago Bears, we won 15 games and went to the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, G08 said: Which is odd because in Grossman's only full season with the Chicago Bears, we won 15 games and went to the Super Bowl. Grossman and Orton LOL. You should be arguing who was worse not who was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 On 6/18/2021 at 10:01 AM, G08 said: 51.6% completions, 9 TDs, 13 INTs, 59.7 rating Come on now... Highly successful from a team perspective. It's not like he was getting whipped and lost all confidence. And despite starting from day 1, his career exceeded anyone's reasonable expectations. I guess my question is... what are the examples of QBs the Bears "ruined" by playing too early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: I guess my question is... what are the examples of QBs the Bears "ruined" by playing too early? We really just have done a crap job with QBs and kept swinging with mediocre vets rather than drafting. I don't believe we have ruined anyone from playing too early. I will say I believe we ruined Cutler. He'd have never been a great but could have been top 10 imo with a real HC and franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 39 minutes ago, Sugashane said: I will say I believe we ruined Cutler. Agreed 110%. No line, numerous seasons with no weapons, and a turnstile at offensive coordinator. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, abstract_thought said: Highly successful from a team perspective. It's not like he was getting whipped and lost all confidence. And despite starting from day 1, his career exceeded anyone's reasonable expectations. I guess my question is... what are the examples of QBs the Bears "ruined" by playing too early? Impossible to answer since we honestly never have developed a QB in this city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 The question I keep going back to is what was the problem with Mitch? If he'd sat for a year, had a consistent system to learn and start in, would that have made a difference? Or was the half assed approach where he HAD to start under Fox and then hand off 50 times to blame? Or was it Nagy's failure to develop him? Kind of seems like had a lack of processing, not speed just couldn't correctly analyze and decide. Maybe it's a confidence thing but I get the feeling it may never have clicked for him. We'll always have 2018 buddy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 hours ago, dll2000 said: Grossman and Orton LOL. You should be arguing who was worse not who was better. It wouldn't be much of an argument. 19 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said: Kind of seems like had a lack of processing, not speed just couldn't correctly analyze and decide. Maybe it's a confidence thing but I get the feeling it may never have clicked for him. We'll always have 2018 buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, RunningVaccs said: The question I keep going back to is what was the problem with Mitch? If he'd sat for a year, had a consistent system to learn and start in, would that have made a difference? Or was the half assed approach where he HAD to start under Fox and then hand off 50 times to blame? Or was it Nagy's failure to develop him? I don't think he had the processing capability to run Nagy's offense. Not many QBs in today's NFL are having success in that system, save for Patrick Mahomes. Wentz and Trubisky are the two most recent highly drafted QBs that flamed out in said system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, G08 said: Wentz and Trubisky are the two most recent highly drafted QBs that flamed out in said system. I'd argue those are different situations, though. And there's hope for Wentz. Not so sure I can say that about Trubisky. As a starter, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: I'd argue those are different situations, though. How so? Both head coaches were first timers and were running a derivative of Andy Reid's system. Both QBs flamed out in said system. Both QBs are now on different teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 45 minutes ago, G08 said: How so? Both head coaches were first timers and were running a derivative of Andy Reid's system. Both QBs flamed out in said system. Both QBs are now on different teams. Umm...a large percentage of NFL followers thought Wentz would be MVP before he got injured? Should I expound further? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Umm...a large percentage of NFL followers thought Wentz would be MVP before he got injured? Should I expound further? Career 89.2 rating in said offense, 6.7 YPA on 2492 attempts. Trubisky: 89.8 rating, 6.7 YPA on 1247 attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, G08 said: Career 89.2 rating in said offense, 6.7 YPA on 2492 attempts. Trubisky: 89.8 rating, 6.7 YPA on 1247 attempts. Sorry. Trubisky NEVER played as well as Wentz in 2018. Ever. Now, could Wentz's play that year be a flash in the pan? Sure. But Trubisky has NEVER played up to that level. Let's be serious, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaReylo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Heinz D. said: I'd argue those are different situations, though. And there's hope for Wentz. Not so sure I can say that about Trubisky. As a starter, anyway. Wentz had some initial success. What may have caused his regression was a knee injury which hampered his athletic playing style, severly altering his playing abilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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