onejayhawk Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) The rules are that the player must start 10 or more games on a team that won 5 or fewer. This, for example, allows Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin (1989), and Emmitt Smith (2000). That said, consider the quality of the player in those seasons. Great players at the beginning and end of their careers are often less than great. Special rule for 1982--Start 6 games on a team that won 3 or fewer. This is a compilation of the Chiefs, from an article, missing six of the front seven. I will differ on LCB, who should be Albert Lewis 1988. I think you could improve on Bowe as well. Hall of Fame noted, but not Pro-Bowl or All Pro. There would be too many. CHIEFS Offense WR1 — Carlos Carson, 1987 LT — Jim Tyrer, 1963 LG — Brian Waters, 2009 C — Jack Rudnay, 1975 RG — Tom Condon, 1978 RT — Jim Nicholson, 1976 TE — Tony Gonzalez, 2008 HoF WR2 — Dwayne Bowe, 2008 QB — Len Dawson, 1963 HoF RB1 — Jamaal Charles, 2012 RB2 — Tony Reed, 1978 Defense SS — Bobby Hunt, 1963 FS — Deron Cherry, 1988 RCB — Emmitt Thomas, 1974 HoF LCB — Brandon Flowers, 2009 MLB — Willie Lanier, 1975 HoF WLB — Derrick Johnson, 2007 RDE — Jared Allen, 2007 LDE — Art Still, 1978 DT — Buck Buchanan, 1963 HoF DT — Jerry Mays, 1963 Update with remaining players. As noted elsewhere, I would have Albert Lewis at CB over Flowers and Henry Marshall at WR over Bowe. You could argue all day about Mays vs Bill Maas. As a franchise, the Chiefs have had remarkably few bad periods. J Edited August 5, 2021 by onejayhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Cowboys HC: Tom Landry or Jimmy Johnson Offense: QB: Troy Aikman - HOF RB: Emmitt Smith - HOF RB2: Herschel Walker FB: Moose Johnston TE: Jason Witten - Future HOF Flex: Tommy McDonald - HOF WR: Michael Irvin - HOF WR: Joey Galloway WR: Rocket Ismail WR: Terrance Williams OT: Tyron Smith - Future HOF, Mark Tuinei OT: Erik Williams, La'el Collins OG: Larry Allen - HOF, Nate Newton OG: Zack Martin - Future HOF OC: Travis Fredrick, Mark Stepnoski Swing: Flozell Adams Defense: DL: Jim Jeffcoat DL: La'Roi Glover DL: Ed 'Too Tall' Jones - HOF DL: Bob Lilly - HOF DL: Demarcus Lawrence Edge: Gregg Ellis LB: Ken Norton JR. LB: Chuck Howley LB: Sean Lee DB: Brandon Carr DB: Everson Walls DB: Cornell Green DB: Mel Renfro - HOF DB: Darren Woodson DB: Roy Williams DB: Byron Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Cortez Kennedy won DPOY playing for a 2-14 team, which is still insane to me. anyway, for the Patriots it's hard to put a team together because you'd have to reach back a ways to find a truly bad team, but here goes. QB: Drew Bledsoe, 2000 RB1: Jim Nance, 1967 RB2: Tony Collins, 1981 WR1: Stanley Morgan, 1981 WR2: Irving Fryar, 1990 WR3: Terry Glenn, 2000 TE1: Ben Coates, 1993 TE2: Don Hasselbeck, 1981 LT: Bruce Armstrong, 1990 LG: John Hannah, 1981 HOF OC: Jon Morris, 1968 RG: Sam Adams, 1975 RT: Shelby Jordan, 1981 DE1: Tony McGee, 1975 DE2: Willie McGinest, 2000 DT1: Houston Antwine, 1967 DT2: Jim Hunt, 1967 LB: Andre Tippett, 1993 HOF LB: Nick Buoniconti, 1967 HOF LB: Vincent Brown, 1993 CB1: Ty Law, 2000 HOF CB2: Leroy Mitchell, 1968 CB3: Raymond Clayborn, 1981 SS: Lawyer Milloy, 2000 FS: Tim Fox, 1981 Edited August 1, 2021 by Starless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, onejayhawk said: The rules are that the player must start 10 or more games on a team that won 5 or fewer. This, for example, allows Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin (1989), and Emmitt Smith (2000). This is a compilation of the Chiefs, missing six of the front seven. Hall of Fame noted, but not Pro-Bowl or All Pro. There would be too many. CHIEFS Offense WR1 — Carlos Carson, 1987 LT — Jim Tyrer, 1963 LG — Brian Waters, 2009 C — Jack Rudnay, 1975 RG — Tom Condon, 1978 RT — Jim Nicholson, 1976 TE — Tony Gonzalez, 2008 HoF WR2 — Dwayne Bowe, 2008 QB — Len Dawson, 1963 HoF RB1 — Jamaal Charles, 2012 RB2 — Tony Reed, 1978 Defense SS — Bobby Hunt, 1963 FS — Deron Cherry, 1988 RCB — Emmitt Thomas, 1974 HoF LCB — Brandon Flowers, 2009 MLB — Willie Lanier, 1975 HoF Just to fill in your gaps: Jared Allen, 2007 Tamba Hali, 2012 Derrick Johnson, 2012 Bill Maas, 1987 Buck Buchanan, 1963 E.J. Holub, 1963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Colts- This is going to be hard with 5 games or less. QB: Manning - 1998 RB: Marshall Faulk-1998 RB: Joseph Addai-2011 WR1: Marvin Harrison- 1997 WR:2 Reggie Wayne- 2011 TE: Dallas Clark- 2011 TE: Marcus Pollard-1998 LT: Tarik Gleen- 1998 LG: Joe Retiz- 2011 C Jeff Saturday-2011 RG: Ryan Diem- 2011 RT: Jeff Linkebech- 2011 P: Pat Macfee K: Adam Vinatieri Defense LDE: Robert Mathis-2011 RDE: Freeney- 2011 LDT Fili Mola- 2011 RDT: Ellis Johnson- 1998 MLB: Pat Anger- 2011 RLB: Kavell Conner-2011 LLB: Phillip Wheeler-2011 LCB Jacoby Lacey-2011 RCB: Jeraud Powers- 2011 FS: Antoine Bethea- 2011 SS: Robert Blackmon- 1998 K: Adam Vinatieri-2011 P: Pat Macfee-2011 Offense looks great. Defense looks meh lol. Edited August 1, 2021 by Blackstar12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Jakuvious said: Just to fill in your gaps: Jared Allen, 2007 Tamba Hali, 2012 Derrick Johnson, 2012 Bill Maas, 1987 Buck Buchanan, 1963 E.J. Holub, 1963 Jared Allen covers one of the two DE. Derrick Johnson would have to be WLB, because Willie Lanier is MLB. The problem with Buchanon is that he was on a bad team only his rookie year and at age 35. He qualifies, but meh. I think I'd go with Art Still, who could also be DE. At LB, Jim Lynch and Gary Spani come to mind. It's a little unreal that one of Jared Allan's best seasons was for a 2-win team. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Oh... I should be able to put together a pretty solid team. - HC: Gary Kubiak (2-14, 2013) - OC: Tim Kelly (4-12, 2020) - DC: Wade Phillips (2013) QB: Deshaun Watson (2020) RB: Domanick Williams (2003, 5-11) RB: Lamar Miller (2017, 4-12) WR: Andre Johnson (2013) WR: DeAndre Hopkins (2017) WR: Brandin Cooks (2020) WR: Will Fuller (2020) TE: Owen Daniels (2013) TE: Jordan Akins (2020) LT: Laremy Tunsil (2020) LG: Chester Pitts (2005) C Chris Myers (2013) RG: Brandon Brooks (2013) RT: Tytus Howard (2020) DE: JJ Watt (2013) NT: Seth Payne (2002, 4-12) DE: Gary Walker (2002) OLB: Jadevion Clowney (2017) ILB: Jamie Sharper (2002) ILB: Zach Cunningham (2020) OLB: Whitney Mercilius (2013) CB: Aaron Glenn (2002) CB: Jonathan Joseph (2013) CB: AJ Bouye (2013) S: Kareem Jackson (2013) S: Andre Hal (2017) K: Ka'imi Fairbairn (2017) P: Shane Lechler (2017) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Browns, i haven't fact checked just presuming Jeff Garcia/Derek Anderson Jamal Lewis Braylon Edward's Josh Gordon Gary barnidge Joe thomas future hof Joel bitonio Alex Mack Kevin Zeitler ??? Mitchell Schwartz Myles garrett Ted washington Linebacker for the saints I forget his name Joe schobert Jamie collins Joe haden Tashaun gipson TJ Ward Phil dawson Josh cribbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) delete Edited August 3, 2021 by Slappy Mc Misread topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 - HC: Joe Gibbs (2006, 5-11) - OC: Kyle Shanahan (2014) - DC: Greg Blache (2006) QB: Jason Campbell (2009) RB: Ladell Betts (2006) RB: Alfred Morris (2013) WR: DeSean Jackson (2014) WR: Pierre Garcon (2013) WR: Terry McLaurin (2019) WR: Santana Moss (2009) TE: Chris Cooley (2006) TE: Fred Davis (2011) LT: Chris Samuels (2006) LG: Derrick Dockery (2009) C Casey Rabach (2009) RG: Brandon Scherff (2019) RT: Morgan Moses (2019) DE: Brian Orakpo (2009) NT: Cornelius Griffin (2009) DT: Stephen Bowen (2011) DE: Andre Carter (2009) OLB: Ryan Kerrigan (2014) ILB: London Fletcher (2009) OLB: Marcus Washington (2006) CB: Carlos Rogers (2006) CB: DeAngelo Hall (2009) CB: Quinton Dunbar (2019) S: Laron Landry (2009) S: Sean Taylor (2006) K: Kai Forbath (2013) P: Sav Rocca (2011) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Did Kuechly ever play in a qualifying team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 23 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Did Kuechly ever play in a qualifying team? Yes--2019. He started all 16, had 144 tackles, 12 PD, 2 picks, and a safety. This is an excellent example of the type, an elite player having a good year for a bad team. Some of the best stat years in history are in this type of season, particularly for safeties. On the same team, SS Eric Reid had 130 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL and a FF.https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2019.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french t0ast Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) First player that came to mind was Jared Allen 2011 - 22.0 sacks. 🤣 (3-13) Edited August 4, 2021 by french t0ast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttitansfan4life Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 (edited) Only doing the Titans, not counting the Oilers. HC: Jeff Fisher(2004) QB: Steve McNair(2005) RB: Chris Brown(2004) FB: Jalston Fowler(2015) WR: Derrick Mason(2004) WR: Drew Bennett(2004) WR: Nate Washington(2014) TE: Delanie Walker(2015) LT: Taylor Lewan(2015), Brad Hopkins(2004) LG: Jacob Bell(2004) C : Justin Hartwig(2004) RG: Benji Olsen(2004) RT: Fred Miller(2004), Michael Roos(2005) DE: Kevin Carter(2004) DT: Albert Haynesworth(2004) DT: Jurrell Casey(2015) DE: Kyle Vanden Bosch(2005) OLB: Keith Bulluck(2004) MLB: Avery Williamson(2015) OLB: Wesley Woodyard(2014) CB: Jason McCourty(2014) CB: Samari Rolle(2004) CB: Adam Jones(2005) FS: Michael Griffin(2014) SS: Tank Williams(2005) K: Rob Bironas(2005) P: Brett Kern(2015) Edited August 5, 2021 by ttitansfan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 15 hours ago, onejayhawk said: Yes--2019. He started all 16, had 144 tackles, 12 PD, 2 picks, and a safety. This is an excellent example of the type, an elite player having a good year for a bad team. Some of the best stat years in history are in this type of season, particularly for safeties. On the same team, SS Eric Reid had 130 tackles, 4 sacks, 7 TFL and a FF.https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2019.htm I haven't seen him make a team on this thread yet. I can only assume people overlooked that season you refer to, because Luke was immense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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