Mr Bad Example Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: You guys know that I am an MVS fan. And Jordy is a no good flat lander. But look at 2008-10 Jordy vs 2018-20 MVS. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NelsJo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/ValdMa00.htm At this point in their careers neither had an advantage. At this point, MVS is outproducing Jordy fairly significantly (1700/10 to 1200/6) but yr 4 is where Jordy jumped into "stud" territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: You guys know that I am an MVS fan. And Jordy is a no good flat lander. But look at 2008-10 Jordy vs 2018-20 MVS. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NelsJo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/ValdMa00.htm At this point in their careers neither had an advantage. The difference is playing time. It's MASSIVE. Jordy Nelson had 6 NFL starts in his first 3 seasons. MVS has 32 NFL starts and has probably seen more than twice as many snaps as Jordy did in his first 3 seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Pack Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, SSG said: The difference is playing time. It's MASSIVE. Jordy Nelson had 6 NFL starts in his first 3 seasons. MVS has 32 NFL starts and has probably seen more than twice as many snaps as Jordy did in his first 3 seasons. It's different for all of these recievers in terms of snaps and targets over the first few years. Adams had over 90 more targets in his first three years than MVS did. The main thing is that after their 3rd year does the penny drop, have they got used to training, preparing having the mindset to be a better player. I could be very wrong but at the moment I'm betting that MVS carries on his upward projection and becomes the next in the line of good/great Packers WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: It's different for all of these recievers in terms of snaps and targets over the first few years. Adams had over 90 more targets in his first three years than MVS did. The main thing is that after their 3rd year does the penny drop, have they got used to training, preparing having the mindset to be a better player. I could be very wrong but at the moment I'm betting that MVS carries on his upward projection and becomes the next in the line of good/great Packers WRs. I'll be the first to admit that I might have been wrong on MVS but I think he needs a vast amount of improvement to a lot of his game to get to the point where we can depend on him as a #1. Since his rookie year he's had plethora of chances as this team's #1 without Adams and he was a train wreck in most of them. I don't see him ever being the caliber of route runner where he'll demand WR1 targets. Hopefully I'm wrong though because it would be great to get our #1 WR on the sort of second contract we got Jordy on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 12 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: You guys know that I am an MVS fan. And Jordy is a no good flat lander. But look at 2008-10 Jordy vs 2018-20 MVS. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NelsJo00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/ValdMa00.htm At this point in their careers neither had an advantage. Other than the ability to catch the ball, consistency, body control, route tree, versatility, etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gharmon Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 17 hours ago, vegas492 said: I really want to feel like Adams is better than Jennings. But I think it is more like they are on the same tier. We drool over Adams right now because he is a stud, and he gets targets. I'll look at the top 3 "target" years for the two WR's. Adams 2018=169 targets in 15 games. 11.26 per game. 2019=127 targets in 12 games. 10.58 per game. 2020=149 targets in 14 games. 10.64 per game. Jennings 2008=140 targets in 16 games. 8.75 per game. 2009=119 targets in 16 games. 7.4 per game. 2010=125 targets in 16 games. 7.8 per game. Add in a depleted WR corp the last few years with Adams and yah, he deserves targets. But if Jennings were in his prime, and the only "real" option out there, we would have loved him even more. Had he kept his mouth shut after leaving. Jennings was a stud, plain and simple. Just like Adams is. I agree here. That Jennings was a different monster. It felt like our WRs used to make more plays and win their individual match ups more versus now. It always felt like we had two #1s, two to three #2s, two #3s etc. Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jermicheal Finley, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb. It felt like we could lean on ANY of these 6 and they all could explode versus now it feels like we need Rodgers to make incredible throws/ scheme it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Gharmon said: I agree here. That Jennings was a different monster. It felt like our WRs used to make more plays and win their individual match ups more versus now. It always felt like we had two #1s, two to three #2s, two #3s etc. Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jermicheal Finley, Donald Driver, Randall Cobb. It felt like we could lean on ANY of these 6 and they all could explode versus now it feels like we need Rodgers to make incredible throws/ scheme it up. That group you listed was a very special group. No doubt. The group we have now would not "win" in a Mac scheme. But in the MLF scheme, he can get them open, so it works. But really, we have one WR that would have fit on that special group, Adams. Credit needs to be given to MLF for what he did on offense last year. As well as what he will continue to do this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/9/2021 at 12:22 PM, Brit Pack said: It's different for all of these recievers in terms of snaps and targets over the first few years. Adams had over 90 more targets in his first three years than MVS did. The main thing is that after their 3rd year does the penny drop, have they got used to training, preparing having the mindset to be a better player. I could be very wrong but at the moment I'm betting that MVS carries on his upward projection and becomes the next in the line of good/great Packers WRs. If we don't extend him soon, and he has the type of year people are predicting, he's going to be out of our price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemike778 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, Old Guy said: If we don't extend him soon, and he has the type of year people are predicting, he's going to be out of our price range. Its very difficult with MVS. He looks the kind of player who could blow up and become out of our price range but he could easily regress and become too erratic to be usable again. It depends how much he would want to be extended. Its a gamble either way ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 I would offer him right now 4Y/32M with a 10M SB and see if he accepts it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, VonKarman said: I would offer him right now 4Y/32M with a 10M SB and see if he accepts it. This MVS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, VonKarman said: Yep. Ok . MVS for $8M per with $10M signing bonus Cap hits 4/ 6/ 9/ 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) Something like that yeah. Probably 3.5 the 1st year, which would be affordable for 2022. Edited August 15, 2021 by VonKarman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 It’s not as good as 2011 but it’s much better than many casual fans think and the passing game stats will be impressive as long as 12 stays healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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