soulman Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Got back to listening to BHL again and damn if they didn't come up with the perfect idea. Don't fire Nagy. Promote him to be their corporate PR guy for a HC who actually knows how to coach in the NFL and wins big. Then he can be all happy happy ****tin' cupcakes and pissin' Kool-Aid about what's real instead of what he imagines he's seeing out there. Then in the offseason he can go back to selling real estate which I'm sure he's very good at. He could probably sell a dog house as a cute mini home for $300K. Edited August 29, 2021 by soulman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, malak1 said: Does anyone know the number of incompletions due to being dropped on passes thrown by Justin Fields? Not sure overall, but it’s a bunch. Just in this game 2 of his 3 incompletions were flat drops, and the other was the overturned catch by Adams where a higher caliber player probably gets his knee down along with his foot to complete the reception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, soulman said: Matt Nagy is not a qualified HC because; A) He refuses to coach his entire team This is my only disagreement with the post. With how sporadic the offense is I don't want him dabbling in the defense's business. Lol. Harbaugh or Belichick have their fingerprints on all facets but Nagy isn't that guy. I prefer an offensive specialist who can keep a system because of how much more complex the offensive side is (Reid, Payton, etc). Defense you can flip in 1-2 years, sometimes even switching the entire system So the DCs are easier to find than the offensive gurus imo. Sadly Nagy isn't that guy either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Sugashane said: This is my only disagreement with the post. With how sporadic the offense is I don't want him dabbling in the defense's business. Lol. Harbaugh or Belichick have their fingerprints on all facets but Nagy isn't that guy. I prefer an offensive specialist who can keep a system because of how much more complex the offensive side is (Reid, Payton, etc). Defense you can flip in 1-2 years, sometimes even switching the entire system So the DCs are easier to find than the offensive gurus imo. Sadly Nagy isn't that guy either. And that's why Harbaugh and Belichick are long term winning HCs and Nagy is not. How can you coach what you don't know how to coach because you never have? If I worked in a machine shop how would I teach someone to run a lathe I've never run myself? To be honest I believe ST coaches may make excellent HCs because of all of the elements that go into special teams. Everything but passing so for that you have top shelf QB and WR coaches or maybe an OC whose great at scheming the passing game. IMHO we just hired the wrong KC guy to coach. It should have been Dave Toub and in truth it probably should have been Toub even before we hired Marc Trestman but as I posted. The Bears always overlook the obvious and choose to do it the hard way. You might be able to do it with an offsensive specialist provided he has a great DC and a willingness to learn and understand how defenses will react to counter his offense. Nagy doesn't even get that. He lives in a theorectical world where if we do this and the defense does that we gain yardage or we score. What happens when the defense doesn't respond as planned? That's where he gets lost. I was on the fence about Nagy before this season but the rinse and repeat nature of this camp and preseason coupled with his failure to even allow Fields and Dalton to compete for the #1 spot has pushed me solidly over the edge. He's not the guy we want build his team around Justin Fields. At best Nagy is what his record over the past two seasons says he is. A very mediocre NFL HC. Send him back to Andy Reid. Edited August 29, 2021 by soulman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, soulman said: And that's why Harbaugh and Belichick are long term winning HCs and Nagy is not. How can you coach what you don't know how to coach because you never have? If I worked in a machine shop how would I teach someone to run a lathe I've never run myself? To be honest I believe ST coaches may make excellent HCs because of all of the elements that go into special teams. Everything but passing so for that you have top shelf QB and WR coaches or maybe an OC whose great at scheming the passing game. IMHO we just hired the wrong KC guy to coach. It should have been Dave Toub and in truth it probably should have been Toub even before we hired Marc Trestman but as I posted. The Bears always overlook the obvious and choose to do it the hard way. You might be able to do it with an offsensive specialist provided he has a great DC and a willingness to learn and understand how defenses will react to counter his offense. Nagy doesn't even get that. He lives in a theorectical world where if we do this and the defense does that we gain yardage or we score. What happens when the defense doesn't respond as planned? That's where he gets lost. I was on the fence about Nagy before this season but the rinse and repeat nature of this camp and preseason coupled with his failure to even allow Fields and Dalton to compete for the #1 spot has pushed me solidly over the edge. He's not the guy we want build his team around Justin Fields. At best Nagy is what his record over the past two seasons says he is. A very mediocre NFL HC. Send him back to Andy Reid. My concern is that Belichick and Harbaugh are outliers to me. Bill had Brady for 20 years and McDaniels is a brilliant offensive mind that has the likeability of generic toilet paper. So his HC opportunities are limited at best. That's a massive crutch for him. Harbaugh went from having all time great defenses to getting Lamar Jackson - which has worked out splendidly for them so far. But not QB has that level of athleticism to match Jackson, so will Roman be able to be a HC somewhere to replicate that? I don't think so So even Harbaugh has lucked himself into that level of consistency at OC. Seems entirely too rare to work out for us imo. I'm not huge on Toub being the HC for the reasons I mentioned, but labelling him as the Ast. Head coach to pur him 2nd in command and the highest paid ST coach is easy to do. Trestman was a curveball. I was all for the swing but was shocked to see we went with a CFL HC. It was bizarre for sure. Nagy record is because of Pace, Fangio, and Pagano. He's a perfect example of why context is needed with win/loss records. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 You are of course aware the second winningest HC we've ever had was a ST coach before he was hired by the winningest HC we've ever had. I come from a background where the very best managers are often generalists who have a handle on every phase of the operation they manage rather then being specialists in any one area. IMHO that's what we have now. A guy who specializes in bad offenses and little else. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 hours ago, soulman said: You are of course aware the second winningest HC we've ever had was a ST coach before he was hired by the winningest HC we've ever had. I come from a background where the very best managers are often generalists who have a handle on every phase of the operation they manage rather then being specialists in any one area. IMHO that's what we have now. A guy who specializes in bad offenses and little else. LOL Good fact! I forgot Ditka did the ST coaching along with being the WR coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Watch this now: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Everyone should say a prayer for Monty, since he's going to be hit behind the LOS approx 150 times this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Romen Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 40 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Watch this now: "We're gonna look at the tape and we're gonna adjust. People don't understand, but it takes time for the OL to gel, it just does. I know it's been the past four years that we've gotten zero push in the run game, but we're full of love in the locker room and we're hugging it out and it'll get fixed." 10 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Everyone should say a prayer for Monty, since he's going to be hit behind the LOS approx 150 times this season. He deserves so much better. He's so good and has gotten obliterated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, dll2000 said: Watch this now: Baldinger is being kind when he says the team needs to "fix this thing upfront". I'm not claiming that the line played really well...but the stuff he's detailing is, YET AGAIN, absolutely horrible play design, called by, perhaps, the worst offensive play caller in the NFL. The only way the Bears "fix" this is if Lazor starts calling plays again. Period. But, apparently Nagy would rather lose his job than revert back to doing the smart thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 57 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: But, apparently Nagy would rather lose his job than revert back to doing the smart thing. The flipside of that is: 1. Fields will start way earlier because this offense looks like it's going to suck 2. Removing Nagy from the equation is likely the best case scenario for Fields' long term development. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Epyon said: 2. Removing Nagy from the equation is likely the best case scenario for Fields' long term development. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Our preseason offense was suck, suck, suck, Fields juke 20 guys and then run or throw a miracle pass. And Fields isn't even starting. LOL You can't make this stuff up. We can only hope that all the guys that didn't play in preseason have no rust and are going to be huge difference makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 The Bald Salesman - nickname for Nagy I am seeing going around. He has really lost the fan base of late. Feel a little bad for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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