2021 QB Rankings (by the numbers, FINAL)

[.Buzz]

PFF having Lawrence this low is both hilarious and also not in the least surprising because you know…it’s PFF.

[Blackstar12]

11 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

I see you pumping Wentz up every week. Careful with this homie. Wentz is very talented so the fact that he is putting up numbers isnt a shock. Wentz is also a polarizing dodo bird, so dont be shocked when he runs head first into a light pole and his teammates laugh at him instead of taking him to the ER. 

Why did I think dodo birds were bigger. That’s pretty small for a prehistoric bird lol.

[JonMcC2018]

On 10/13/2021 at 3:54 PM, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

For me it's just the major discrepancy between PFF and literally every other metric/site there is that just highlights how bad PFF's grading system is.

But that's their whole shtick isn't it, they try to look past the raw numbers and objectively rate how a player is playing play-to-play. All the other metrics there are based upon numbers/data so will be similar.

[RandyMossIsBoss]

	QB	PR	QBR	PFF	DVOA	ANY/A	EPA/CPOE	Avg	SD
1	Matthew Stafford	2	1	12	1	1	1	3.0	4.0
2	Tom Brady	5	2	1	3	4	7	3.7	2.0
3	Russell Wilson	1	6	2	4	2	8	3.8	2.5
4	Kyler Murray	4	5	8	5	5	2	4.8	1.8
5	Dak Prescott	3	11	13	2	3	4	6.0	4.3
6	Josh Allen	9	7	10	9	8	5	8.0	1.6
7	Derek Carr	11	9	5	7	7	11	8.3	2.2	+4
8	Aaron Rodgers	7	3	15	6	13	6	8.3	4.2
9	Kirk Cousins	8	16	2	8	10	16	10.0	4.9
10	Joe Burrow	6	14	6	21	6	10	10.5	5.5
11	Lamar Jackson	13	10	9	12	9	13	11.0	1.7
12	Jameis Winston	10	4	18	13	12	14	11.8	4.3
13	Teddy Bridgewater	12	20	17	14	18	3	14.0	5.6
14	Patrick Mahomes	17	12	20	11	17	9	14.3	3.9	-8
15	Justin Herbert	16	13	7	16	16	21	14.8	4.2
16	Ryan Tannehill	20	8	4	23	24	12	15.2	7.6
17	Mac Jones	21	17	11	18	21	17	17.5	3.4
18	Baker Mayfield	15	26	22	10	14	19	17.7	5.3
19	Jimmy Garoppolo	19	21	25	15	11	15	17.7	4.6
20	Carson Wentz	14	15	23	20	15	20	17.8	3.3	-5
21	Matt Ryan	18	19	14	22	20	18	18.5	2.4	-4
22	Jalen Hurts	22	24	16	19	19	23	20.5	2.8
23	Daniel Jones	24	22	19	25	22	24	22.7	2.0
24	Tua Tagovailoa	25	18	20	26	26	22	22.8	3.1
25	Ben Roethlisberger	23	27	31	17	23	26	24.5	4.3
26	Taylor Heinicke	27	25	30	24	25	25	26.0	2.0
27	Sam Darnold	29	23	24	30	28	27	26.8	2.5
28	Jared Goff	26	29	26	27	27	28	27.2	1.1
29	Trevor Lawrence	30	28	29	28	29	30	29.0	0.8
30	Davis Mills	28	30	28	29	30	29	29.0	1.0
31	Zach Wilson	32	31	27	31	31	32	30.7	1.7
32	Justin Fields	31	32	32	32	32	31	31.7	0.5

Players that the various ranks agree with each other the most on: TLaw, Mills, Fields, Goff, Josh Allen

Players that the various ranks disagree with each other the most on: Tannehill, Teddy, Burrow, Baker

Edited November 4, 2021 by RandyMossIsBoss

[JonMcC2018]

Brutal for the rookie QBs...

[Ray Reed]

On 10/20/2021 at 12:49 PM, .Buzz said:

PFF having Lawrence this low is both hilarious and also not in the least surprising because you know…it’s PFF.

I mean relative to the rest of the league he's stunk. Not unexpected for a rookie QB but I don't see how he wouldn't be that low especially compared to his peers.

[BradfordSteeler]

On 10/7/2021 at 6:26 AM, Apparition said:

I know that these ratings are often subjective and by no means tell the whole story, but holy hell, there can't be a person in the Steelers organization that doesn't feel like crying every time they consider how much money they're paying Roethlisberger this year.

$14m? He has a big cap hit this year and a bit next year, but the only new money he is being paid is $14m, everything else is cap hit and would be there regardless of if we brought him back this year.

[Tk3]

1 minute ago, BradfordSteeler said:

$14m? He has a big cap hit this year and a bit next year, but the only new money he is being paid is $14m, everything else is cap hit and would be there regardless of if we brought him back this year.

ehhh.. technically you're correct. the bulk of the cap hit is a "sunk cost" and therefore only the marginal additional money matters

but that's still the $14M of additional cap this year AND $10.34M of deadcap next year

can you really argue that he's worth even that?

I've been saying it for a long time. They would be better off if they didn't bring him back and spent that money on o-line help and let one of these other guys take the reigns

[Tk3]

@RandyMossIsBoss is the avg being calculated correctly? I think it might just be averaging the first 5 metrics, not all 6

But really great work, this is awesome.... I do have a lot of trouble with these high variance guys.. like all objective stats say Tannehill is awful, but the subjective metrics say he's pretty good. It's hard to make sense of some of these.

[MWil23]

On 10/20/2021 at 11:35 AM, Blackstar12 said:

Wentz top 15 seems right he’s playing like his 2019 self. He doesn’t have a lot of TDs but he’s taking care of the ball and starting to get more comfortable with the offense.

 

 

Not to be a jerk, but are we really going to pretend that he's taking care of the ball after last week's worst INT I've ever seen and the OT INT as well?

Dude is in the prestigious club of throwing a Pick 6 with both hands.

[SBLIII]

These rankings match the eye test. Stafford will win MVP.

[BradfordSteeler]

33 minutes ago, Tk3 said:

ehhh.. technically you're correct. the bulk of the cap hit is a "sunk cost" and therefore only the marginal additional money matters

but that's still the $14M of additional cap this year AND $10.34M of deadcap next year

can you really argue that he's worth even that?

I've been saying it for a long time. They would be better off if they didn't bring him back and spent that money on o-line help and let one of these other guys take the reigns

The $10.34m dead cap next year would have been this year without the extension. As I said, it is only $14m new money onto what was there already.

I think at $14m he probably is worth it, which QB earning a similar amount not on a rookie deal would be doing a better job?

[Tk3]

10 minutes ago, BradfordSteeler said:

The $10.34m dead cap next year would have been this year without the extension. As I said, it is only $14m new money onto what was there already.

I think at $14m he probably is worth it, which QB earning a similar amount not on a rookie deal would be doing a better job?

The point is that you shouldn't be pushing dead cap into 2022 for a player who is far below replacement level. You're better off just being done with him and being able to fully start fresh in 2022 when he's fully off the books.

As to the question about the alternative - you could have drafted a QB, or you could have spent the $14M on Joe Thuney/Corey Linsley/Zeitler. You know.. use the money to actually fix your problems, which would allow your existing QBs Rudolph/Haskins to be more successful.

Either of those guys as it is would be better than Ben, but if you add in using that cap to help the O-line, its more optimal than spending more money on a junky old player

[BradfordSteeler]

7 minutes ago, Tk3 said:

The point is that you shouldn't be pushing dead cap into 2022 for a player who is far below replacement level. You're better off just being done with him and being able to fully start fresh in 2022 when he's fully off the books.

As to the question about the alternative - you could have drafted a QB, or you could have spent the $14M on Joe Thuney/Corey Linsley/Zeitler. You know.. use the money to actually fix your problems, which would allow your existing QBs Rudolph/Haskins to be more successful.

Either of those guys as it is would be better than Ben, but if you add in using that cap to help the O-line, its more optimal than spending more money on a junky old player

Ben isn't far below replacement level, lol.

$4m, since the $10m wouldn't have been pushed into next year. Suddenly you're shopping at a different store to the one where Joe Thuney and Corey Linsley are available.

Ben has been significantly better than either Rudolph or Haskins would be, we've drafted to fix our problems and they are improving week on week. The Steelers rarely spend big on FA's, so it's not surprising that we chose to stick with what we know rather than go out and splash on a FA offensive lineman.

[Tk3]

4 minutes ago, BradfordSteeler said:

Ben isn't far below replacement level, lol.

$4m, since the $10m wouldn't have been pushed into next year. Suddenly you're shopping at a different store to the one where Joe Thuney and Corey Linsley are available.

Ben has been significantly better than either Rudolph or Haskins would be, we've drafted to fix our problems and they are improving week on week. The Steelers rarely spend big on FA's, so it's not surprising that we chose to stick with what we know rather than go out and splash on a FA offensive lineman.

*shrug*

okay then.. I suppose this just comes down to us having very different opinions on Ben and we're not going to convince each other