CWood21 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said: I expect you may know better (I tend to be pretty skeptical of subjective analytics), but this seems to tell a different story. Hopefully for the Bears they’re more right than you! 🍻 PFF gave Lucas Patrick a 57.2 grade fwiw. That article seems a bit optimistic. And I think the contract would have been significantly bigger if those numbers were accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, abstract_thought said: Poles is playing the comp pick game. Robinson, Hicks, Dalton, and others will sign elsewhere. Bears have been pretty judicious in FA so far. They can eventually fill the roster with players who get cut. Those players have no impact on the comp pick formula. You have to ask yourself if having high value FAs for 2022 is more valuable than having an extra 3RP in 2023. I thought they revised the comp pick system recently since teams were taking advantage of it, am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: I think Nichols will come in around a 5-6 round value. Hicks will hopefully offset Ogunjobi. Which means Robinson, Dalton, and Daniels could bring back picks. It all depends who the Bears sign over the next few weeks. But if the Bears take a minimal approach to FA, they could earn multiple future picks in rounds 3-5, then fill the roster with players cut by other teams. Guys like JC Tretter don't count against the formula because they were cut. As of now they're not in line for any. We'll see on Robinson and Hicks. Because Grant's deal was "shortened" they get 0 for him. I guess Nichols is possible but this formula is pretty complex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: PFF gave Lucas Patrick a 57.2 grade fwiw. That article seems a bit optimistic. And I think the contract would have been significantly bigger if those numbers were accurate. I have no idea how PFF can kill him as a run blocker and ESPN can celebrate him as a run blocker. They are watching the same film. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, beardown3231 said: As of now they're not in line for any. We'll see on Robinson and Hicks. Because Grant's deal was "shortened" they get 0 for him. I guess Nichols is possible but this formula is pretty complex There are playing time things built into it, but at its base it comes down to contract value. Nichols AAV is 5.5 million. He will count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, WindyCity said: The Bears are currently net 0 on comp picks Ogun-Daniels Patrick-Nichols Grant does not count because he voided his contract and Morrow probably will not make enough to make the 7th round cut off this year. We need Hicks, Dalton, and Ifedi to clear 3 million to protect the Robinson pick. Hicks won't qualify because he's been released. Also, need Robinson to clear ~$15M to get a comp pick for him, otherwise it'd be negated by the Ogunjobi signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, CWood21 said: Hicks won't qualify because he's been released. Also, need Robinson to clear ~$15M to get a comp pick for him, otherwise it'd be negated by the Ogunjobi signing. Hicks wasn't released... Goldman was. Yes, Robinson needs to clear 15 million, which I think he is going to pretty easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, WindyCity said: I have no idea how PFF can kill him as a run blocker and ESPN can celebrate him as a run blocker. They are watching the same film. I think that just goes with the subjectivity of watching film. LIS, he's not going to do anything to lose you a game, but he's also not going to win you games. It's a solid deal, I would have no issues with it. The Packers just have some young IOL they like, and they're pushed up against the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, WindyCity said: Hicks wasn't released... Goldman was. Yes, Robinson needs to clear 15 million, which I think he is going to pretty easily. You're right. I got them mixed up for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: I think that just goes with the subjectivity of watching film. LIS, he's not going to do anything to lose you a game, but he's also not going to win you games. It's a solid deal, I would have no issues with it. The Packers just have some young IOL they like, and they're pushed up against the salary cap. I agree. Patrick sets a floor for the OL, not the ceiling. He ensures you do not have to play a waste of space like Mustipher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Best guesses for comp picks if the Bears stand pat: Robinson (3rd) Dalton (5th) Daniels (5th) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, WindyCity said: I have no idea how PFF can kill him as a run blocker and ESPN can celebrate him as a run blocker. They are watching the same film. Anyone who comes in here & gives a flying f*** about PFF has no credibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 41 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Anyone who comes in here & gives a flying f*** about PFF has no credibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, G08 said: Lost credibility, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 57 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I think that just goes with the subjectivity of watching film. LIS, he's not going to do anything to lose you a game, but he's also not going to win you games. It's a solid deal, I would have no issues with it. The Packers just have some young IOL they like, and they're pushed up against the salary cap. Sounds like an average starter, on a deal reflective of average starter ability. I’m totally good with that. Appreciate the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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