Soko Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: The question about Mahomes brings up an interesting topic: At what point does a QB transition from "young" to "veteran"? Mahomes is definitely teetering that line right now. That being said, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert both have some insane arm talent, along with Mahomes. Just absolute rifles. Second contract? Shrug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Herbert is a generational arm talent. And his start has been great. But it's going under the radar how well Joe Burrow is playing. IIRC, he and A-Rod and Herbert have the 3 highest ratings facing pressure. Given that the CIN OL rates in bottom 5 in pass blocking (29th by DVOA last I looked) - there's room for Burrow to improve (as evidenced by his 14 picks). Herbert's already experiencing the benefits of a better OL this year, so there's not as much room for his play to surge up because of better OL play. Now, the big X factor in Herbert's favor - he's 2 years younger than Burrow. So give me Herbert, but the Herbert vs. Burrow discussion is a LOT closer than ppl would believe. (I didn't include Mahomes because he's in his 2nd contract, before KC fans take umbrage) Edited December 16, 2021 by Broncofan 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Nooooo you know what this means. Herbo about to be jinxed for tomorrow's game. This was deviously planned out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) few things... 1. I hate these threads 2. I actually sort of agree.. If you put a gun to my head and said, you can swap Josh Allen for Mahomes, I'm saying no. Partly personal reasons, partly field reason. But if you put a gun to my head and asked the same thing about Herbert.. I'm REALLY thinking about it edit: I don't know why a gun was necessary in my analogy lol Edited December 16, 2021 by Tk3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Herbert is a generational arm talent. And his start has been great. But it's going under the radar how well Joe Burrow is playing. IIRC, he and A-Rod and Herbert have the 3 highest ratings facing pressure. Given that the CIN OL rates in bottom 5 in pass blocking (29th by DVOA last I looked) - there's room for Burrow to improve (as evidenced by his 14 picks). Herbert's already experiencing the benefits of a better OL this year, so there's not as much room for his play to surge up because of better OL play. Now, the big X factor in Herbert's favor - he's 2 years younger than Burrow. So give me Herbert, but the Herbert vs. Burrow discussion is a LOT closer than ppl would believe. (I didn't include Mahomes because he's in his 2nd contract, before KC fans take umbrage) I love me some Burrows also. Except when we were playing the Bengals. But yeah, I feel bad that their chances of making the postseason dimmed because of last Sunday’s game. On a related note, if we can fix the right side of the OL and improve the running game even more, then I think Herbert would be even more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said: Nooooo you know what this means. Herbo about to be jinxed for tomorrow's game. This was deviously planned out. Seriously if we lose tomorrow’s game because of this thread…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Xenos said: I love me some Burrows also. Except when we were playing the Bengals. But yeah, I feel bad that their chances of making the postseason dimmed because of last Sunday’s game. On a related note, if we can fix the right side of the OL and improve the running game even more, then I think Herbert would be even more efficient. Fair - just that CIN could upgrade 4 spots to get the same level LAC would get with 2 spots upgraded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) On 12/15/2021 at 6:29 PM, Xenos said: Seriously if we lose tomorrow’s game because of this thread…. @biggie. we lost 😞 Edited December 18, 2021 by Xenos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Xenos said: @biggie. we lost 😞 But this game, even in a loss, should be evidence on how Herbert is the best young qb in the game today 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Malfatron said: But this game, even in a loss, should be evidence on how Herbert is the best young qb in the game today But I wanted a win 😭 Or at least a tie! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Pretty remarkable that the peanut gallery was so wrong about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Is Lamar not considered a young QB anymore? Kyler? Never mind Mahomes. Edited December 18, 2021 by Kip Smithers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 After losing a must-win game against a division rival, it is now clear & totally obvious to me that Hebert isn’t just the greatest QB to have ever lived, but actually the pinnacle of mankind. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: After losing a must-win game against a division rival, it is now clear & totally obvious to me that Hebert isn’t just the greatest QB to have ever lived, but actually the pinnacle of mankind. You are under selling him.... hater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Has a team ever had two HOF QBs that went to the same school? If Herbert makes it to Canton (early obviously) the Chargers might be the first. Dan Fouts also went to Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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