Head Coach Firing/Hiring/Interview Rumors

[Kmart128]

32 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

The notion that an OC has that much say in drafting a QB early is comical.  At best, he's probably fourth in line in terms of signing off.  GM, HC, and ownership are all going to give their stamp of approval before it gets to the OC.

Never said that but ok... just said he had input in it. 

[SkippyX]

5 hours ago, Danger said:

I don't, but Doug Pederson does.

LMAO. The Eagles were something like 20-27 on 4th downs in 2017. That's mostly coaching.

(smarts to risk at the right time and skills to call the right play)

He and Reich revamped the teams offense to best fit Foles when Wentz went down.

His team beat the #1 Vikings D like a rented mule in the NFCCG.

After the SB it was a common hot take to say that Pederson should have been the MVP.

He won a playoff game the next year and was in the red zone to tie the Saints when Jeffrey dropped the ball.

 

 

[SkippyX]

Maybe Pederson lucked into all those HoF skill players?

Foles, Torrey Smith, Alshon, Agholor, Ajayi, Corey Clement, LG, Celek, Ertz.

What do the 2019 Chiefs or 2020 Bucs have on that murderer's row? 

[StatKing]

29 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

Lulz.  These last few takes are beyond terribad.  First off, Adam Gase was viewed as an up 'n coming coach and was on the younger side, which has been the craze lately.  It wasn't until after the fact that people realized he had the personality of a porcupine.  Secondly, comparing Adam Gase to Joe Philbin is EASILY one of the worst comparisons I've seen.  Joe Philbin was NEVER the play caller as an OC for the Green Bay Packers (his first OC gig in the NFL), because Mike McCarthy was calling plays.  The first time he called plays in the NFL was when the Packers fired Mike McCarthy after the Arizona game debacle.

None of this invalidates what I said. All 3 of them are considered successful for one reason, they had a top 5 QB of all time running their offense. They aren't Sean McVay calling plays for the #1 ranked offense with Jared Goff at the helm. Hackett had one fluke year in Jacksonville where they were a top 5 offense, then followed that up with the 2nd worst offense in the league the next year. There's a reason the old coaching cliche of "Hall of Fame QBs put a lot of coaches kids through college" exists.

[sdrawkcab321]

20 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said:

 

 

I don’t understand the interest in Frazier. He had his shot. Went 21-32. One playoff appearance. Some guys are just assistants. Same with Quinn. 

[SkippyX]

There is a video called Philly Special which is the 2017 Eagles version of the Patriots Do Your Job videos. (a coaching take on the behind the scenes of the Champs)

Take a look at it sometime and notice how they completely suckered 1st team all-pro safety Harrison Smith. They found his tendencies and they exploited them. That's all coaching.

Edited January 22, 2022 by SkippyX

[.Buzz]

14 minutes ago, StatKing said:

None of this invalidates what I said. All 3 of them are considered successful for one reason, they had a top 5 QB of all time running their offense. They aren't Sean McVay calling plays for the #1 ranked offense with Jared Goff at the helm. Hackett had one fluke year in Jacksonville where they were a top 5 offense, then followed that up with the 2nd worst offense in the league the next year. There's a reason the old coaching cliche of "Hall of Fame QBs put a lot of coaches kids through college" exists.

You think he’s viewed the way he is in league circles because he got an OC job in GB coaching a prime Rodgers and that’s the lone reason?

[SkippyX]

13 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

I don’t understand the interest in Frazier. He had his shot. Went 21-32. One playoff appearance. Some guys are just assistants. Same with Quinn. 

Erase Frazier and replace it with Belichick after Cleveland (36-44 with 1 playoff appearance)

Some situations are just bad.

Some coaches need to fail and mature before they succeed in their second job.

 

Its why they have interviews to sort out the Kotites from the Belichicks.

GMs are not perfect and some of this is a gamble but Frasier does not deserve to be blackballed because he did not win in 3 years with the shambling corpse of Donovan McNabb, Christian Ponder, and Matt Cassel.

Correction, he did go 10-6 with Christian Ponder.

Edited January 22, 2022 by SkippyX

[StatKing]

1 minute ago, .Buzz said:

You think he’s viewed the way he is in league circles because he got an OC job in GB coaching a prime Rodgers and that’s the lone reason?

Pretty much. Gase got a job for that exact reason. I can't remember if it was the Jets or Dolphins but one of them literally called Peyton about Gase and asked for his approval/opinion before he got hired, thats how he got the "offensive genius" moniker. It happens all the time.

[.Buzz]

4 minutes ago, StatKing said:

Pretty much. Gase got a job for that exact reason. I can't remember if it was the Jets or Dolphins but one of them literally called Peyton about Gase and asked for his approval/opinion before he got hired, thats how he got the "offensive genius" moniker. It happens all the time.

So I assume you think the same with Leftwich? What about Kellen Moore coming into coaching with Dak? 

[.Buzz]

There’s so much more that comes into being a legit HC candidate than purely there work with a QB, especially during the interview process/to actually get a gig.

Using Gase as an example and pushing that on every young offensive minded HC candidate on why it will fail is an awfully interesting route to take. 

[RaidersAreOne]

DO IT

[CWood21]

59 minutes ago, StatKing said:

None of this invalidates what I said. All 3 of them are considered successful for one reason, they had a top 5 QB of all time running their offense. They aren't Sean McVay calling plays for the #1 ranked offense with Jared Goff at the helm. Hackett had one fluke year in Jacksonville where they were a top 5 offense, then followed that up with the 2nd worst offense in the league the next year. There's a reason the old coaching cliche of "Hall of Fame QBs put a lot of coaches kids through college" exists.

It pretty much does.  You made an awful comparison using Joe Philbin (who had absolutely ZERO play calling experience before McCarthy got fired) and Adam Gase to Nathaniel Hackett.  The only thing that Gase and Philbin have in common are both on the offensive side of the ball.  That's pretty much the extent of their comparison.  Gase was the play caller for the Broncos' offense which was ranked 1st in 2013 and 2nd in 2014.  He was also the play caller for the Chicago Bears in 2015, which was ranked 23rd with Jay Cutler as his QB.  There's very few coaches in the NFL that are able to produce with less then ideal talent (Shanahan and McVay are two prime examples) at the QB position.  You're immediately ready to discredit Hackett's lack of production in Buffalo and Jacksonville, but you refuse to acknowledge that he was dealt a really crappy hand in both situation.  There's a reason why none of them had a long NFL career.

[.Buzz]

 

[sdrawkcab321]

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Erase Frazier and replace it with Belichick after Cleveland (36-44 with 1 playoff appearance)

Some situations are just bad.

Some coaches need to fail and mature before they succeed in their second job.

 

Its why they have interviews to sort out the Kotites from the Belichicks.

GMs are not perfect and some of this is a gamble but Frasier does not deserve to be blackballed because he did not win in 3 years with the shambling corpse of Donovan McNabb, Christian Ponder, and Matt Cassel.

Correction, he did go 10-6 with Christian Ponder.

Frazier is 62. Hard to believe he’ll have a big turn around his second chance. It’s not like he’s a josh McDaniels who failed and could have a change in philosophy because he went from 30 something to 40 something.