Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: What about the Bills, one of the teams you have said we should be emulating? They turned over nearly their ENTIRE roster in 2 years. Because it needed to change to fit the new systems they have put in place with the new regime of coaches brought in. But keep pointing at the Lions and Jags, and ignoring the Team who has been to the Super Bowl twice in 4 years (Rams) another who just lost one (Bengals) and one of if not the Super Bowl favorite for this year (Bills) depending on the day They have done that for the last 4 years consistently with minimal changes to their staff & FO...they are in no way the same as some of these other teams... Finding a superstar QB helps as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: But Robert Quinn should be expected to do that ................ Quinn never had a career year last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: This idealistic fairy tale land you are living in right now must be nice Over here in reality, we are a rebuilding team, who is clearing house to set up the future roster to match the schemes we are implementing, with players who will be part of that for longer than the next 17 games (if hes healthy) And Trading Quinn or not is not changing the game plan, it would just accelerate the process by a pick or two. It's a fairytale to think a GM wants his franchise to be competitive? Say that out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: Cooper got traded because Dallas couldn't afford to pay him & he was coming off a down year...he was being cut if no one offered anything... They absolutely could have kept him, you can always make space. They chose not to, because other options were move valuable. The Cap space and the draft pick were more valuable than Amari Cooper for 2022. We are saying the draft pickl (assuming its Top 100) and the future cap space, plus more playing time for the younger guys would be more valuable than some notion of veteran leadership 3 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: And yes apparently the Jets offered the 10th overall pick for Metcalf...and the Seahawks said no...because they value him more...so just because a pick is offered it does not dictate that players value. That does make it his value, in fact it is probably OVER valuing him because the Jets are desperate. The difference is, the Seahawks still think they can contend. That may be a foolish notion, but it is true, the beat writers up there have said as much, John and Pete think they can still be a playoff team this year, even with Drew Lock or whoever. Again, foolish, but that is e situation they are in, nothing compared to where we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, WindyCity said: A GM is concerned with the big picture. Poles is not building a team to win as many games as possible in 2022. The coach tries to win every game and focuses on the week to week. That doesn't mean the GM gives him the talent to do that. So now we are saying Poles is trying to hold back talent so Flus can't win in 2022 so we can build for 2023? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: They have done that for the last 4 years consistently with minimal changes to their staff & FO...they are in no way the same as some of these other teams... Finding a superstar QB helps as well. No, they completely flipped everything from 2017 to 2019, thats when this all starts, YEARS before you get to become the Super Bowl favorites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: So now we are saying Poles is trying to hold back talent so Flus can't win in 2022 so we can build for 2023? Doesn't it seem that way? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: It's a fairytale to think a GM wants his franchise to be competitive? Say that out loud. If you think Poles is trying to truly win as many games as possible in 2022 you are in a fairytale. He is trying to win as many games as possible with the conditions of getting younger, saving money, drafting more than signing, getting resources for the future. He is trying to win while rebuilding and rebuilding is the clear priority... that is not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, StLunatic88 said: They absolutely could have kept him, you can always make space. They chose not to, because other options were move valuable. The Cap space and the draft pick were more valuable than Amari Cooper for 2022. We are saying the draft pickl (assuming its Top 100) and the future cap space, plus more playing time for the younger guys would be more valuable than some notion of veteran leadership That does make it his value, in fact it is probably OVER valuing him because the Jets are desperate. The difference is, the Seahawks still think they can contend. That may be a foolish notion, but it is true, the beat writers up there have said as much, John and Pete think they can still be a playoff team this year, even with Drew Lock or whoever. Again, foolish, but that is e situation they are in, nothing compared to where we are. We're you not just saying what was offered made it his value?... And no...they couldn't have unless they wanted to end up like the Saints who are one point are going to need to find a way of filling a 53 man roster with a ton of dead money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: It's a fairytale to think a GM wants his franchise to be competitive? Say that out loud. Repeat it again THE FRANCHISE not sone single team for one single year. Doing that nonsense is how you end up in the dumpster fire of a situation that we are in right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, StLunatic88 said: No, they completely flipped everything from 2017 to 2019, thats when this all starts, YEARS before you get to become the Super Bowl favorites Which started when they got a quality QB as well as having minimal changes to their staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, StLunatic88 said: Repeat it again THE FRANCHISE not sone single team for one single year. Doing that nonsense is how you end up in the dumpster fire of a situation that we are in right now And who is running that franchise day to day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: We're you not just saying what was offered made it his value?... And no...they couldn't have unless they wanted to end up like the Saints who are one point are going to need to find a way of filling a 53 man roster with a ton of dead money. So, yes, they could have. It all depends on what you think he is worth enduring And while it hurt, it wouldnt have been as bad as the Saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: So now we are saying Poles is trying to hold back talent so Flus can't win in 2022 so we can build for 2023? Poles is eating some hard decisions this offseason to better set the team up for the future. That is pretty obvious based on the moves so far. Poles is not going all in on 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, StLunatic88 said: So, yes, they could have. It all depends on what you think he is worth enduring And while it hurt, it wouldnt have been as bad as the Saints It would have still put them in position to lose one of there better talents down the road...Cooper coming off a down year was gone either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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