Would Brady have won another SB/MVP if he hadn’t gotten injured in 2008?

[x0x]

There's a much bigger domino effect if Brady doesn't get injured in 08. We should all know by now outside Peterson type comeback a serious knee injury still takes a season to come back into form. This was absolutely the case with Brady in 09. So if he's not injured it greatly improves the Pats in both seasons and then we don't know how that plays out going with 2010-11 which were successful seasons as they were but the Jets loss and again to the Giants.

I also think getting the monkey off the back and winning the big game in 08 does a lot mentally going forward. Who's to say Brady didn't play all those extra years to make up for that one loss in his head? We don't know....

Anywho looking at the 2008 schedule losses:

Dolphins 38-13
Chargers 30-10
Colts 18-15
Jets 34-31
Steelers 33-10 

Obviously the two losses stick out but even with the Dolphins loss going down 21-6 at the half. That's not a Brady lead team, that's Cassel learning curve. Look at those drives for example:

3 & out, Cassel two incompletions
7 plays, 2 penalties on the defense, 4 short completions, two sacks then INT
7/9 completions, 3 of those were for -2, 0 & 2 yards, FG
2/4 completions, FG

[minutemancl]

If Plax didn't shoot himself and Brady didn't get bonecrushed, there is a good chance we'd have had a Super Bowl rematch.

[August4th]

crazy that he never missed a game due to injury after 08.

[biggie.]

4 hours ago, x0x said:

There's a much bigger domino effect if Brady doesn't get injured in 08. We should all know by now outside Peterson type comeback a serious knee injury still takes a season to come back into form. This was absolutely the case with Brady in 09. So if he's not injured it greatly improves the Pats in both seasons and then we don't know how that plays out going with 2010-11 which were successful seasons as they were but the Jets loss and again to the Giants.

I also think getting the monkey off the back and winning the big game in 08 does a lot mentally going forward. Who's to say Brady didn't play all those extra years to make up for that one loss in his head? We don't know....

Anywho looking at the 2008 schedule losses:

Dolphins 38-13
Chargers 30-10
Colts 18-15
Jets 34-31
Steelers 33-10 

Obviously the two losses stick out but even with the Dolphins loss going down 21-6 at the half. That's not a Brady lead team, that's Cassel learning curve. Look at those drives for example:

3 & out, Cassel two incompletions
7 plays, 2 penalties on the defense, 4 short completions, two sacks then INT
7/9 completions, 3 of those were for -2, 0 & 2 yards, FG
2/4 completions, FG

I still think we would have lost round one with Miami because not only do we always seem to split with them, that was the Wildcat game.

We definitely win the other games with Brady.

[BayRaider]

On 2/4/2022 at 2:00 PM, ChazStandard said:

….that season was a chore to get through for Pats fans.

11-5 was tough to get through? Try 4-12, 5-11, 2-14, 5-11, 4-12, 5-11, 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 3-13, 3-13 in 11 straight seasons. 

[Jlowe22]

22 hours ago, BayRaider said:

11-5 was tough to get through? Try 4-12, 5-11, 2-14, 5-11, 4-12, 5-11, 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 3-13, 3-13 in 11 straight seasons. 

11-5 with a backup QB, oh the horror.

[mission27]

On 2/4/2022 at 12:58 PM, Slingin' Sammy said:

I believe so. The Giants were the one team that I think could’ve stopped him and they collapsed down the stretch. MAYBE the Ravens as well, but I think Flacco was still too green to make big plays in key moments.

He would've had an excellent chance for sure.  2009 was also a bit of a wash, he was not quite back to full strength, so really he lost two years. 

However I'm not convinced the back end of his career necessarily plays out the same way if he wins in 2007, 2008, and/or 2009.  He's a guy who was always motivated by the chip on his shoulder and the two Giants Super Bowl losses and decade championship drought definitely seemed to keep him going for a while.  If he gets to 4-5 Super Bowl rings, has another year or two like 2007, and is consensus GOAT by the time he's 32 maybe he doesn't have the motivation to play until 44 at a high level.  Remember he got married and had a baby in 2009.

[biggie.]

On another note, Brady's injury completely changed NFL history.

Without it, Cassel never gets traded to KC. They'd probably end up drafting Mark Sanchez.

With Sanchez gone, NYJ probably opts for Josh Freeman.

Without Freeman and forced to roll with Byron Leftwich and Josh Johnson in 2009, TB drafts Jimmy Clausen in 2010. Instead of going 10-6 and barely missing out on the playoffs, they jump Carolina for the first pick in 2011. That means Cam Newton goes to TB and Carolina ends up with Von Miller.

Because they traded their second round 2011 pick to us in 2010, Carolina is unable to get Dalton or Kaepernick, so they bottom out again. They either end up with Andrew Luck if they got the first pick, RG3 with the second or Ryan Tannehill any later.

Edited February 13, 2022 by biggie.

[amazingandre]

Maybe. 

 

Would I lose more weight if I ate less calories?

[lancerman]

On 2/9/2022 at 5:37 PM, August4th said:

crazy that he never missed a game due to injury after 08.

He never missed a game before that either. His entire career is that in the middle he had one bad freak occurrence just took him out 

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

Tricky question. 

▪︎Would N.E have had camera men filming SB practices known as spygate?

and/or..

▪︎ Would Brady have been flattening Footballs known as Deflategate?

(back in 2008). 

Like it or not bit all 6 of their ******SB Titles****** are tainted. 

N.E is the only team in NFL History to have ever lost a 1st round draft pick (due to cheating) and guess what? They broke their own record and are now the only Franchise in NFL history to have lost not one but two 1st round draft picks (due to cheating).  

What the Saints did was dirty and scumbag. But it wasn't cheating. 

▪︎ Pete Rose didn't cheat the game of baseball and he never bet against his team to lose; as a manager he gambled on his team and bet on his team to win. So how is he banned from baseball? 

IMO all 3 of Bill Belichick/Tom Brady/Robert Kraft should've been Pete Rose'd/Barry Bonds'd/Lance Armstrong'd and blackballed/banned from NFL football along time ago; because they cheated the game and ruined the integrity of Football. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by DefenseWinsChampionships

[notthatbluestuff]

On 2/5/2022 at 5:24 PM, ChazStandard said:

...but for Reche Caldwell, Asante Samuel and Bernard Pollard, we could easily be looking at 12-13 superbowl appearances and 8/9/10 titles. As crazy as the Pats/Brady run was it was a few coin flip-plays from being even crazier.

And by the same token, it was also a few coin flip-plays away from being less impressive. Vinatieri field goals win the first two, then you have the Butler play on an inexplicable Wilson pass, the Falcons mega-collapse... if things go a tiny bit differently, that's 4 losses. I'd mention the first Eagles SB and the second Rams game, but really, even though the scores were close, to me the Pats were always in firm control of both those games. Still, just for the sake of argument, say McCourty doesn't reach Cooks in time for that one Goff pass... who knows how things would have played out? 

[notthatbluestuff]

51 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said:

Tricky question. 

▪︎Would N.E have had camera men filming SB practices known as spygate?

and/or..

▪︎ Would Brady have been flattening Footballs known as Deflategate?

(back in 2008). 

Like it or not bit all 6 of their ******SB Titles****** are tainted. 

N.E is the only team in NFL History to have ever lost a 1st round draft pick (due to cheating) and guess what? They broke their own record and are now the only Franchise in NFL history to have lost not one but two 1st round draft picks (due to cheating).  

What the Saints did was dirty and scumbag. But it wasn't cheating. 

▪︎ Pete Rose didn't cheat the game of baseball and he never bet against his team to lose; as a manager he gambled on his team and bet on his team to win. So how is he banned from baseball? 

IMO all 3 of Bill Belichick/Tom Brady/Robert Kraft should've been Pete Rose'd/Barry Bonds'd/Lance Armstrong'd and blackballed/banned from NFL football along time ago; because they cheated the game and ruined the integrity of Football. 

[biggie.]

7 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said:

Tricky question. 

▪︎Would N.E have had camera men filming SB practices known as spygate?

and/or..

▪︎ Would Brady have been flattening Footballs known as Deflategate?

(back in 2008). 

Like it or not bit all 6 of their ******SB Titles****** are tainted. 

N.E is the only team in NFL History to have ever lost a 1st round draft pick (due to cheating) and guess what? They broke their own record and are now the only Franchise in NFL history to have lost not one but two 1st round draft picks (due to cheating).  

What the Saints did was dirty and scumbag. But it wasn't cheating. 

▪︎ Pete Rose didn't cheat the game of baseball and he never bet against his team to lose; as a manager he gambled on his team and bet on his team to win. So how is he banned from baseball? 

IMO all 3 of Bill Belichick/Tom Brady/Robert Kraft should've been Pete Rose'd/Barry Bonds'd/Lance Armstrong'd and blackballed/banned from NFL football along time ago; because they cheated the game and ruined the integrity of Football.