Uncle Buck Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, vikes635 said: Love this signing, been a big fan of Z since his Baltimore days. This also increases the chance we go CB (Stingley Jr.) at 12 which is what I'm wanting. This is a big piece we needed to go to that 4-3 under formation. @Uncle Buck I can appreciate the switch, don't be a stranger. Thanks buddy. I'll poke my head in here from time to time. Here's a question for you: If Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley are both there at #12, who would you take? A few months ago, Stingley was the concensus #1 CB in the draft, but it seems like Sauce has caught up to him on a lot of mocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 While he did have a back injury last year, let’s not pretend he is injury prone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Uncle Buck said: Thanks buddy. I'll poke my head in here from time to time. Here's a question for you: If Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley are both there at #12, who would you take? A few months ago, Stingley was the concensus #1 CB in the draft, but it seems like Sauce has caught up to him on a lot of mocks. I said sauce during bowl season. I love sauce. I believe it was @Ozzythat still favored Stingley at that point. I will admit it’s still close. Stingley when healthy is dominate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: While he did have a back injury last year, let’s not pretend he is injury prone The fact that he returned for the playoff game against SF doesn’t have me all that worried about his health. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: The fact that he returned for the playoff game against SF doesn’t have me all that worried about his health. Just hope it’s not a reoccurring thing. The back can be tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_K Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Za'Darius' salary on the ravens' contract averaged about $8 million. I think Kwesi offered too much to get him to sign with The Vikings. A back problem can recur. I think he could have gotten Smith to sign for maybe an average of $11 million. That seems like not worth risking not getting him. But, The Vikings will be very limited in additional Cap Space they can manufacture for this season. So, I'd rather have had Kwesi hold a harder line, and squeeze a little more out. The contract should have more of a safety net with insurance against lack of availability for recurring injury. I'd like enough cap room left to sign Tretter and Peterson, in addition to the draftees, and a couple more backups at different positions. Most of the draftees won't be able to play right away. Edited March 23, 2022 by Robb_K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, Robb_K said: Za'Darius' salary on the ravens' contract averaged about $8 million. I think Kwesi offered too much to get him to sign with The Vikings. A back problem can recur. I think he could have gotten Smith to sign for maybe an average of $11 million. That seems like not worth risking not getting him. But, The Vikings will be very limited in additional Cap Space they can manufacture for this season. So, I'd rather have had Kwesi hold a harder line, and squeeze a little more out. The contract should have more of a safety net with insurance against lack of availability for recurring injury. I'd like enough cap room left to sign Tredder and Peterson, in addition to the draftees, and a couple more backups at different positions. Most of the draftees won't be able to play right away. What the Ravens offered is irrelevant. There’s a reason Smith walked away from that deal. It was a massive low ball contract based on what the market for pass rushers was doing. $14M AAV for a pass rusher of Smith’s ability is a very good deal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Yup, right in line with other deals signed by similarly aged players; Haason Reddick (28 - $15M APY), Frank Clark (29 - $14.5M), Randy Gregory (30 - $14M), Demarcus Lawrence (30 - $13.33M), and Preston Smith (30 - $13M). Our old pal Yannick Ngakoue could be thrown in as well at 27 years old and $13M. Here's where these players rank on the active sacks list. I threw in some benchmark spots as well as Danielle Hunter for some reference points. 1. Von Miller (115.5) - 150 career games 10. Calais Campbell (93.5) - 213 career games 15. T.J. Watt (72.0) - 77 career games 21. Danielle Hunter (60.5) - 85 career games 29. Yannick Ngakoue (55.5) - 95 career games 30. Frank Clark (53.5) - 105 career games 38. Preston Smith (49.5) - 112 career games 40. Demarcus Lawrence (48.5) - 103 career games 43. Za'Darius Smith (44.5) - 91 career games 50. Denico Autry (39.5) - 113 career games ---------------------------------------- Haason Reddick (31.0) - 80 career games Randy Gregory (16.0) - 50 career games 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Robb_K said: Za'Darius' salary on the ravens' contract averaged about $8 million. I think Kwesi offered too much to get him to sign with The Vikings. A back problem can recur. I think he could have gotten Smith to sign for maybe an average of $11 million. That seems like not worth risking not getting him. But, The Vikings will be very limited in additional Cap Space they can manufacture for this season. So, I'd rather have had Kwesi hold a harder line, and squeeze a little more out. The contract should have more of a safety net with insurance against lack of availability for recurring injury. I'd like enough cap room left to sign Tredder and Peterson, in addition to the draftees, and a couple more backups at different positions. Most of the draftees won't be able to play right away. I have yet to see any link or report that JC Trettor is interested in the Vikings, or heck if Vikings want to move on from Bradbury. there could certainly be a “minny premium” built in to get him to come here over a different city. hard to note how negotiations go. But my question is did KAM not contact Z agent before Free Agency, to let him know that we have interest and to keep in touch. That would have been prudent, instead of getting lucky that an opportunity to get him presented itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: there could certainly be a “minny premium” built in to get him to come here over a different city. Proof? Or is this just speculation to bolster a preconceived notion? Because he's played in Green Bay and Cleveland. Minneapolis blows those places off the map. Edited March 23, 2022 by wcblack34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 He was also linked to Dallas, as they showed interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Robb_K said: Za'Darius' salary on the ravens' contract averaged about $8 million. I think Kwesi offered too much to get him to sign with The Vikings. A back problem can recur. I think he could have gotten Smith to sign for maybe an average of $11 million. That seems like not worth risking not getting him. But, The Vikings will be very limited in additional Cap Space they can manufacture for this season. So, I'd rather have had Kwesi hold a harder line, and squeeze a little more out. The contract should have more of a safety net with insurance against lack of availability for recurring injury. I'd like enough cap room left to sign Tredder and Peterson, in addition to the draftees, and a couple more backups at different positions. Most of the draftees won't be able to play right away. you don't even know the guaranteed money yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: ut my question is did KAM not contact Z agent before Free Agency that's illegal, he was on the packers. I am sure once the packers cut him, they showed interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: that's illegal, he was on the packers. I am sure once the packers cut him, they showed interest. Lets not pretend they didn’t have an opportunity to speak to Z camp (one way or another), at the same time that Baltimore did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: Lets not pretend they didn’t have an opportunity to speak to Z camp (one way or another), at the same time that Baltimore did. why does it matter? He's here, he's a Viking and not a Raven. Vikings did something right to convince him to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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