Soko Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just now, mtmmike said: Hill 18 mill Jarrett 18 mill Equals 36 million The Browns would have had 72,000,000 without Cooper and Clowney. Please bring relevant arguments. Jarrett 2023 cap hit: $20.625M Hill 2023 cap hit: $31.2M So, again, unless your plan is to sign Baker Mayfield to the vet minimum, you’re already losing money. Jarrett, Hill, and Baker, just for 2022, would cost just under $40M in cap. That’s $6.5M from Hill, $12.9M from Jarrett, and $19M from Baker. So Cleveland’s losing money in 2022 as well, in your unrealistic hypothetical. Throw in Miami taking a worse offer, Hill wanting to be in Cleveland, Hill signing the same deal in Cleveland that he does in Miami, Grady being on the trade block, Ojabo coming back healthy next year, Williams recovering and being impactful after his ACL? It’s fantasy land. Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 49 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. Because of Watson's off the field actions the price for the upgrade from Mayfield to Watson never was able to be debated. I think Mayfield is better than most, although not as accomplished as Watson on a statistical level and I'm not sure I would have been in favor of giving up what we did to make that upgrade. However, Watson's off the field stuff doesn't let me consider it without that coming forward in the debate so I don't know for sure how I would have felt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squanchy Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 6 hours ago, mtmmike said: Ok nude Questions You can trade up and get Williams Draft Hamilton Draft Jordan give me your Draft order. 3 hours ago, mtmmike said: Hill 18 mill Jarrett 18 mill Equals 36 million The Browns would have had 72,000,000 without Cooper and Clowney. Please bring relevant arguments. I’m not sure if I love these posts or not. Reading through it’s apparently best for my health and safety to say that I do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 6 hours ago, mtmmike said: Ok nude Questions You can trade up and get Williams Draft Hamilton Draft Jordan give me your Draft order. 1. Jordan Davis by a landslide. He's who I wanted in the draft. 2. Williams. He has special speed, but I am concerned about the injury. 3. Weird build and size for the position. As far as draft pundits he would be worth the grab but pretty high for a safety as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 50 minutes ago, Squanchy said: I’m not sure if I love these posts or not. You love them. 50 minutes ago, Squanchy said: Reading through it’s apparently best for my health and safety to say that I do. Wise words. You shall be spared during the uprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Jarrett 2023 cap hit: $20.625M Hill 2023 cap hit: $31.2M So, again, unless your plan is to sign Baker Mayfield to the vet minimum, you’re already losing money. Jarrett, Hill, and Baker, just for 2022, would cost just under $40M in cap. That’s $6.5M from Hill, $12.9M from Jarrett, and $19M from Baker. So Cleveland’s losing money in 2022 as well, in your unrealistic hypothetical. Throw in Miami taking a worse offer, Hill wanting to be in Cleveland, Hill signing the same deal in Cleveland that he does in Miami, Grady being on the trade block, Ojabo coming back healthy next year, Williams recovering and being impactful after his ACL? It’s fantasy land. Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. We must be looking at different publications Jarrett was listed at 3years at 55 million That is 17 million. 73 million minus 17 plenty money for hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, mtmmike said: We must be looking at different publications Jarrett was listed at 3years at 55 million That is 17 million. 73 million minus 17 plenty money for hill. …that’s now how contracts work. You don’t just divide the total by the number of years to find out the cap hit. That’s the average annual value (AAV). Jarrett’s cap hits for the next handful of seasons are $12.9M, $20.6M, $20.3M, and $20.3M. There is no publication that says his cap hits are $17M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/grady-jarrett-16863/ https://overthecap.com/player/grady-jarrett/3985 Same for Hill. His cap hits are $6.5M, $31.2M, $24.8M, $28M, and $50M. There is no publication putting him at $17M either. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/tyreek-hill-19119/ https://overthecap.com/player/tyreek-hill/4878 At this point if you disagree with the cap figures, you are willfully choosing to ignore actual facts. And if you’re going to magically gift the Browns cap space by saying they never trade for Amari and never sign Clowney, then that makes this even easier. Watson, Cooper, Clowney>>>Baker, Hill, Jarrett. Not that Hill even makes it to Cleveland in this scenario, because Kansas City has absolutely no reason to accept a worse trade package from the Browns than they would be getting from the Dolphins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 @Yin-Yang I like you so I hope Mike chooses to show you mercy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Jarrett 2023 cap hit: $20.625M Hill 2023 cap hit: $31.2M So, again, unless your plan is to sign Baker Mayfield to the vet minimum, you’re already losing money. Jarrett, Hill, and Baker, just for 2022, would cost just under $40M in cap. That’s $6.5M from Hill, $12.9M from Jarrett, and $19M from Baker. So Cleveland’s losing money in 2022 as well, in your unrealistic hypothetical. Throw in Miami taking a worse offer, Hill wanting to be in Cleveland, Hill signing the same deal in Cleveland that he does in Miami, Grady being on the trade block, Ojabo coming back healthy next year, Williams recovering and being impactful after his ACL? It’s fantasy land. Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. Still fits plus ojabo plus Williams. Line up November 1st Hill wr Williams wr Jarrette dt Ojabo and Myles de Like them better than deshaun throwing to DPJ in November in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Jarrett 2023 cap hit: $20.625M Hill 2023 cap hit: $31.2M So, again, unless your plan is to sign Baker Mayfield to the vet minimum, you’re already losing money. Jarrett, Hill, and Baker, just for 2022, would cost just under $40M in cap. That’s $6.5M from Hill, $12.9M from Jarrett, and $19M from Baker. So Cleveland’s losing money in 2022 as well, in your unrealistic hypothetical. Throw in Miami taking a worse offer, Hill wanting to be in Cleveland, Hill signing the same deal in Cleveland that he does in Miami, Grady being on the trade block, Ojabo coming back healthy next year, Williams recovering and being impactful after his ACL? It’s fantasy land. Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. Still fits plus ojabo plus Williams. Line up November 1st Hill wr Williams wr Jarrette dt Ojabo and Myles de Like them better than deshaun throwing to DPJ in November in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Jarrett 2023 cap hit: $20.625M Hill 2023 cap hit: $31.2M So, again, unless your plan is to sign Baker Mayfield to the vet minimum, you’re already losing money. Jarrett, Hill, and Baker, just for 2022, would cost just under $40M in cap. That’s $6.5M from Hill, $12.9M from Jarrett, and $19M from Baker. So Cleveland’s losing money in 2022 as well, in your unrealistic hypothetical. Throw in Miami taking a worse offer, Hill wanting to be in Cleveland, Hill signing the same deal in Cleveland that he does in Miami, Grady being on the trade block, Ojabo coming back healthy next year, Williams recovering and being impactful after his ACL? It’s fantasy land. Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. 72 million 30 million roll over I believe your figures include Clowney plus cooper neither who I signed because I drafted Williams plus Ojabo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 11 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Jarrett 2023 cap hit: $20.625M Hill 2023 cap hit: $31.2M So, again, unless your plan is to sign Baker Mayfield to the vet minimum, you’re already losing money. Jarrett, Hill, and Baker, just for 2022, would cost just under $40M in cap. That’s $6.5M from Hill, $12.9M from Jarrett, and $19M from Baker. So Cleveland’s losing money in 2022 as well, in your unrealistic hypothetical. Throw in Miami taking a worse offer, Hill wanting to be in Cleveland, Hill signing the same deal in Cleveland that he does in Miami, Grady being on the trade block, Ojabo coming back healthy next year, Williams recovering and being impactful after his ACL? It’s fantasy land. Answer is Watson, on the field. He’s too big of an upgrade over Mayfield. A speedy receiver and Grady Jarrett aren’t enough to change that. Have a question if you are Hill And I offer you 100,000,000 million Guaranteed at a salary cap figure of 20 mill per year due you take that over your current contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 32 minutes ago, mtmmike said: 72 million 30 million roll over I believe your figures include Clowney plus cooper neither who I signed because I drafted Williams plus Ojabo. AND magically traded those same 2022 1st and 2nd round picks to acquire Tyreek Hill. This is some awesome fantasy world you are living in. Still not sure why you didn't trade for Jefferson/Chase instead of Hill if you are going full fantasy world situations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, squire12 said: AND magically traded those same 2022 1st and 2nd round picks to acquire Tyreek Hill. This is some awesome fantasy world you are living in. Still not sure why you didn't trade for Jefferson/Chase instead of Hill if you are going full fantasy world situations At least I am not paying 60,000,000 For a qb that has a 1 win 2 loss record in the playoffs. Suggest you go look at Deshaun when he scored 18 against the Chiefs and 7 against indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, mtmmike said: Still fits plus ojabo plus Williams. Line up November 1st Hill wr Williams wr Jarrette dt Ojabo and Myles de Like them better than deshaun throwing to DPJ in November in Cleveland. It fits, but you’re spending more money. Which is what I said - Baker, Hill, and Jarrett are going to be more expensive than Watson. 59 minutes ago, mtmmike said: 72 million 30 million roll over I believe your figures include Clowney plus cooper neither who I signed because I drafted Williams plus Ojabo. “My figures” include Hill and Jarrett. I never brought up the Browns’ total cap situation, but since you’d like to: Clowney’s cap hit this year is $3.5M. Watson’s is $9.3M. Cooper’s is $4.9M. Under $18M total. Baker’s was $19M on the Browns. Jarrett’s is $12.9M. Hill’s is $6.5M. Just under $40M total. You rollover less with your group than with the Browns’ actual group. So I’d rather have Watson, Cooper, Clowney, and $20M+ in cap, over Baker, Hill, rookie Achilles year Ojabo, rookie ACL tear Jameson, and Jarrett. And again, that’s under the silly pretend logic we’re using where Tyreek Hill is a Brown without the Browns actually giving up the picks necessary to get him, lol. This thread was fun, let’s do it again sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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