BobbyPhil1781 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 hours ago, General Tso said: His height hasn't been an issue in college where he played behind tall linemen and against tall linemen. The NFL is not that much taller if at all, than SEC competition. That's great but college isn't the NFL and if only the line was the only issue...... but yes, NFL linemen are typically much bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 hours ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: That's great but college isn't the NFL and if only the line was the only issue...... but yes, NFL linemen are typically much bigger Not really. Wider maybe, which is irrelevant for a short QB. It's absurd to say NFL players are significantly bigger than what the SEC has. I would venture to guess that NFL OL/DL are MAYBE a 1/2 inch taller on average than what most teams Bryce Young is facing in college? If that. The skill level is different. The speed is different. The schemes are different. But the actual height of the players is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, BetterCallSaul said: Not really. Wider maybe, which is irrelevant for a short QB. It's absurd to say NFL players are significantly bigger than what the SEC has. I would venture to guess that NFL OL/DL are MAYBE a 1/2 inch taller on average than what most teams Bryce Young is facing in college? If that. The skill level is different. The speed is different. The schemes are different. But the actual height of the players is not. You're right, I was looking at it from an overall standpoint and not just "taller" like that person said. This is what I get for commenting late at night after a couple glasses of whiskey lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) The QB School talking about Levis. I do really like the QB School for educating me on what a QB should be doing vs what they do. I will add that he has breakdowns of Richardson, Stroud, Young and Hooker on his channel. Edited February 18, 2023 by jebrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 8:24 AM, BetterCallSaul said: Yeah he's tiny, but unless you're a dunce of an OC, you can work around that. Young is a master manipulator of the pocket and has that sixth sense of when to step up vs. retreat in the pocket. He doesn't get a lot of balls batted despite his size. He has a great arm and excellent movement skills...and those aren't his best attributes (processing, accuracy, leadership). Young is going to be very good. I see your point that he's a crazy outlier. For sure he is. But he isn't Kyler Murray--Young has legitimately every trait you could want in a QB aside from height. Weight? I could care less about. It used to be important, but nowadays you can't breathe on a QB without being flagged 15 yards. It only takes one big hit to potentially end his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Danger said: It only takes one big hit to potentially end his career. I mean, you could say the same for every player. Smaller QBs don’t get hurt any more than big ones. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: I mean, you could say the same for every player. Smaller QBs don’t get hurt any more than big ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Danger said: Durability is tied far more to genetics and play style than size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) On 2/15/2023 at 4:31 PM, minutemancl said: Nick Saban is 5'6". This is what a 6'1" QB looks like standing next to Nick Saban. I'm not sure I like it either, but front offices will ALWAYS look for the prototype. If you deviate from the prototype, you've gotta walk on water. Young is a scary prospect to NFL teams due to his height. If Young measures anything larger than 5'10 at combine/pro day than the fix is in lol I mentioned it in another thread but Young, if drafted, will be the smallest QB to EVER play in the NFL. Hes not just short like Hurts/Wilson/Brees/Baker/ect, he is even a notch below them. The only QB to ever play meaningful snaps in the NFL that comes close to Youngs height/weight is Doug Flutie. Would you feel comfortable drafting that at #1 overall when there is a guy like CJ Stroud sitting there who for all intents and purposes is a 'safer' option with similar upside? Im not trying to start a smear campaign on Bryce Young, its just that I dont think scouts/fans from what Ive heard are being nearly critical enough of his evaluation. There is far too much 'pencil him in to #1 overall and lets keep moving' without any sort of critique. In regard to how this will effect him in the NFL, we have seen examples with Baker/Kyler. Its not about taking a hit but about the mental. Baker/Kyler both in college didnt have their height effect them. Baker struggles with it in the NFL with batted passes and hes not fast enough to get away from NFL rushers which is why hes on his 3rd NFL team. Kyler has developed the yips in recent seasons where he DOES have athleticism to get away and now takes off running after his 1st read because he doesnt want to hang in the pocket and take a hit like a Josh Allen or Joe Burrow. Both Kyler/Baker have developed 'I cant hang in the pocket' syndrome because of their size and 2-3-4 seasons of getting hammered in the NFL. Young is going to be no different unless you are telling me Bryce Young is a generational QB prospect like Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence. Edited February 20, 2023 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said: In regard to how this will effect him in the NFL, we have seen examples with Baker/Kyler. Its not about taking a hit but about the mental. Baker/Kyler both in college didnt have their height effect them. Baker struggles with it in the NFL with batted passes and hes not fast enough to get away from NFL rushers which is why hes on his 3rd NFL team. Kyler has developed the yips in recent seasons where he DOES have athleticism to get away and now takes off running after his 1st read because he doesnt want to hang in the pocket and take a hit like a Josh Allen or Joe Burrow. Both Kyler/Baker have developed 'I cant hang in the pocket' syndrome because of their size and 2-3-4 seasons of getting hammered in the NFL. Young is going to be no different unless you are telling me Bryce Young is a generational QB prospect like Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence. He's not as athletic as Kyler but I think he has a much better pocket presence than either of those guys, he's excellent at evading/sensing pressure when his blocking breaks down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: He's not as athletic as Kyler but I think he has a much better pocket presence than either of those guys, he's excellent at evading/sensing pressure when his blocking breaks down. To play devils advocate--Baker also had tremendous pocket presence in college and early in his career. He then got hit a bunch trying to hang in the pocket year 1-2-3--he developed the yips and started leaving the pocket early and kept getting injured further outside of the pocket trying to run away. Small guys hanging in the pocket getting hit eventually takes its toll and thats when we see them starting to run. The only difference is Kyler can run away from rushers, Baker cant and Young is TBD Edited February 20, 2023 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 I've tried to like Will Levis but man it's hard, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: I've tried to like Will Levis but man it's hard, lol. There's a lot to like when you watch the tape... from last year (2021 season). This year he wasn't really good, although he didn't have much help from his OL, WRs or coaching staff Edited February 22, 2023 by MagicMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 hours ago, NYRaider said: I've tried to like Will Levis but man it's hard, lol. He ain’t it man. I don’t see it. I don’t think it’s really there. this that Zach Wilson effect man. If he goes about either Young or Stroud it’s a straight crime and I’m 99% sure that team will end up regretting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, brownie man said: He ain’t it man. I don’t see it. I don’t think it’s really there. this that Zach Wilson effect man. If he goes about either Young or Stroud it’s a straight crime and I’m 99% sure that team will end up regretting it. It’s also weird that Levis will be a 24 year old rookie and is still getting this hype & possible #1 overall pick buzz. I don’t think I would take him in R1, let-alone #1. It’s also weird because I think Stroud and especially Young are fantastic prospects. I think Levis has developmental tools, but it seems any QB with a great arm and size is getting pushed up draft boards again. Maybe it’s the terrible draft class that is causing him to shoot up boards? In any case, he is definitely a bizarre “loved” prospect. Especially when Richardson has the same developmental tools and then some, is younger, and appears to be just as mature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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