ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said: Losing only make the winning that much sweeter. Have you heard this from other people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Have you heard this from other people? Only drawing that conclusion from personal experience of my 25+ years of being a Jets fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Rockice_8 said: Only drawing that conclusion from personal experience of my 25+ years of being a Jets fan. You've been a Jets fan way too long to not get how draft upside works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 not too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: In hindsight. Anyone else here old enough to remember when Andrew Luck was nothing but a Spider 2 Y Banana checkdown artist? Unpopular opinion, but even in hindsight I don't feel like Luck ever really lived up to the hype given to him. An indictment of him? No, he was a good QB that had some great years. An indictment of the absurd hyperbole people attach to their favorite QBs in the draft? Absolutely. Truth is, he wasn't really on some HoF pace production wise. He may have picked up the pace or enough other accolades along the way to warrant a look, but he was decidedly closer to Matt Ryan than Peyton Manning in terms of being an all-timer. Were his name Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, he's not remembered as a surefire HoF QB. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: You've been a Jets fan way too long to not get how draft upside works. I understand it well thank you. Just pointing out the loose use of the word generational and the expectations that it carries. Far more players would fit that description if it was how Daniel described it. It should carry weight and sky high expectations if it's being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Unpopular opinion, but even in hindsight I don't feel like Luck ever really lived up to the hype given to him. An indictment of him? No, he was a good QB that had some great years. An indictment of the absurd hyperbole people attach to their favorite QBs in the draft? Absolutely. Truth is, he wasn't really on some HoF pace production wise. He may have picked up the pace or enough other accolades along the way to warrant a look, but he was decidedly closer to Matt Ryan than Peyton Manning in terms of being an all-timer. Were his name Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, he's not remembered as a surefire HoF QB. I disagree with the take, but appreciate that at least you know what I'm talking about. The second that Luck retired early, any criticism of his career stopped overnight, and his career got romanticized into the star that burned too bright. Meanwhile, while he was playing, you'd have to bring up his injury record because people constantly questioned his love of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 22 hours ago, KhanYouDigIt said: yawn. another day at the office From a totally neutral perspective……. well, actually I like Lawrence and hope he does well………but please, please don’t read anything into a QB looking decent against the Raiders defence! Even the Broncos looked decent on offence against us 😄 we really are absolutely the best team to play if you want a false perspective of your offence. I’d say in honesty that Lawrence wasn’t great or even particularly good, made some pretty inaccurate throws, seemed his timing was off and looked lost most of the first half but in credit he did step up when needed, ran nicely at times and made a few really big throws. I wouldn’t read too much at all into his performance this game sadly 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, Darbsk said: From a totally neutral perspective……. well, actually I like Lawrence and hope he does well………but please, please don’t read anything into a QB looking decent against the Raiders defence! Even the Broncos looked decent on offence against us 😄 we really are absolutely the best team to play if you want a false perspective of your offence. I’d say in honesty that Lawrence wasn’t great or even particularly good, made some pretty inaccurate throws, seemed his timing was off and looked lost most of the first half but in credit he did step up when needed, ran nicely at times and made a few really big throws. I wouldn’t read too much at all into his performance this game sadly 😉 What? His incompletions were drop, throwaway, thrown behind Engram, pass breakup down sideline to Marvin Jones, spike and a tipped pass intended for Kirk….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Were his name Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, he's not remembered as a surefire HoF QB. People think this? Dude had maybe a year or two, tops, where he was a top 5ish QB. Not even an elite one. I never hear anyone talking about Luck as a would-be HOFer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, Darbsk said: From a totally neutral perspective……. well, actually I like Lawrence and hope he does well………but please, please don’t read anything into a QB looking decent against the Raiders defence! Even the Broncos looked decent on offence against us 😄 we really are absolutely the best team to play if you want a false perspective of your offence. I’d say in honesty that Lawrence wasn’t great or even particularly good, made some pretty inaccurate throws, seemed his timing was off and looked lost most of the first half but in credit he did step up when needed, ran nicely at times and made a few really big throws. I wouldn’t read too much at all into his performance this game sadly 😉 I mean he was insanely efficient. Went down 17-0 and consistently marched down the field with just about every possession we had (including the drive where we missed the FG from 45 yards) after that. Believe he started the second half 12/12 until he got that ball knocked down by Ferrell on 3rd down. Etienne started the game with 8 rushes for 13 yards, so it’s not like we leaned on that success the whole way through either. Raiders defense or not, the efficiency/success rate were spectacular as the chart you quoted indicated. Not really sure what you took issue with besides the bad pitch and a couple misses like the one to Engram tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 T-Law is lucky to be in Jacksonville because he can be great, mediocre or awful and no one would really notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said: What? His incompletions were drop, throwaway, thrown behind Engram, pass breakup down sideline to Marvin Jones, spike and a tipped pass intended for Kirk….. That’s what I saw in my honest opinion. I think he’ll be good and it’ll be great for Jags supporters to have a QB but he wasn’t good in the first half. Much better in the second of course and he rose when the occasion demanded it so that’s a great sign, but take it with a pinch of salt as our D makes everyone look like Warren Moon 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Rockice_8 said: Manning and Luck lived up to the generational hype and right now Lawrence is not. Hard disagree on Luck. He was good (better than Lawrence, surely) but he absolutely did not live up to a generational tag. Heck, he's not even the best QB from his draft, Russell Wilson has better accolades and numbers. Whether or not its his fault is up for debate - but if we're giving Luck a caviat, why can't we give Lawrence one? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I thought Trevor was good yesterday, but I'm not seeing plays that other qbs can't make. Good, not great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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