The Helicopter Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Broncofan said: No 2 ways about - DEN absolutely deserved to lose that game, even though they played a less talented team. For the 2nd time in 5 weeks, we've walked away with a L vs a team (with current roster that played tonight) we likely beat by 10+ pts 9x/10x Just absolutely awful. Wasted a great effort by the D. The minuses are so clear: -Hackett's game calling in the 1Q and 4Q was abysmal. Went to the run early when IND D was stuffing it - then when the IND D was worn out, then decides to go pass. He had to go for the TD with 2:20 left in OT, there's no realistic way they're going to win the game. No problem there. But the lack of creativity was just so stark to watch. Still, he's only going to get a share of the blame, because... -Yes, Russell Wilson, he had a BRUTAL game. Both picks were his fault, plain and simple. You can't do that. ZERO excuses. Wilson also missed a wide open Jeudy TD, and another Jeudy flag route where he threw it to the middle. He makes the TD throw, or even the flag route throw, and simply doesn't put the ball in harm's way (the 1st pick was probably even more egregious but for the situation than the 2nd). And on the last play......Hamler wide open, but Wilson didn't make the read but stayed on Sutton WAY too long. SMH. -Sutton & Jeudy flashed, but they both had drops in the game. Sutton couldn't get on the same page, full credit to Stephone Gilmore, though. -It was meaningless in the end, but Hackett calling for the 1H kick return, that Washington fumbled (but recovered), shows how mismatched he is. With 3 TO's, and 12 secs left, at the 30, getting 2 13-14 yard slants is far more do-able than banking on a 108 yard TD return. It didn't affect the game, but it shows how Hackett doesn't understand even the basics of game management. Still, he's only part of the problem with the O - because as much as he limits them, the guys on O aren't executing, either. No one on the O gets any praise. They all deserve it - but the buck stops with the OC & QB, who have to own it after a game like tonight. I am not going to give ANYONE on the D any criticism - they played their hearts out. The killer part I mentioned before - DEN dominated the game....but gave away points and drives. And then with the 2 key TO's, it totally kept IND in the game. FULL CREDIT to Indy - they were absolutely shorthanded, and they just hung around. Frankly, they deserved the W even if they were far less talented with the guys they put on the field today. Might as well blame Elway too - for some abysmal drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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broncosfan_101 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 That last play: 1. empty gun on 4th&1…lol. 2. As soon as you know you’re facing man, how is the rub route for KJ not the very first read?? Incredible. Hackett’s gotta go. The season can still be salvaged, but Paton’s gotta be decisive right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) I will hand out a BUNCH of game nods/kudos on D : -Caden Sterns is going to be a stud SS with Justin Simmons. As it is, he's a pretty good fill-in (but no one is Justin Simmons). -Baron Browning faced a porous set of T's, but he and Chubb were so disruptive. So was Bonnito. It's no coincidence the Colts finally moved the ball when Browning left the game. I'm not disparaging Chubb, just it was down to 1 guy once that happened. -K'waun Williams made some terrific plays on the ball. He stepped nicely when Darby went down. -Josey Jewell played like a man with his hair on fire. The rest of the ILB's had up & down moments, but Jewell really played his heart out. Long-term, I still love where this org is headed under George Paton. But everyone makes mistakes - no one's perfect. Paton just has to look in the mirror and own the fact that right now, the Hackett/Wilson combo is not working out. And while you can't turn back the clock, you can't let the O stay the way it is, either. I do not in any way shape or form think moving Dom Capers is the HC solution. But I have to believe we can't do any worse than have Klint Kubiak start taking over play-calling and design responsibilities. He did well enough in his 1 year as OC with Kirk Cousins and MIN with Mike Zimmer as HC last year (and it was known that Zimmer called for ball control and conservative plays, that the players railed against - but that's on Zimmer's overall game management). And yes, I get the point that if Kubiak is calling the plays - what does Hackett bring to the table. Here's the thing - Hackett's not bringing anything to the table right now as it is. And yes, Russell Wilson is part of the problem too. But this is the key point - we're not parting ways with Wilson, and we've seen the flashes of where he can be a successful QB, and the O can move. But the overall game plan and in-game calling is just abysmal. We may fail with Wilson, but we have a FAR better chance changing the OC/play-calling with Wilson, than just keep the status quo with Hackett/Wilson. It's absolutely fair to say it's cost us 2 games so far out of 5. If we're not firing Hackett (and I don't think it serves a lot of purpose to do so now), you hired Kubiak knowing he was an OC. It's time to pull that card, it was in case of emergencies - pretty clear we're at Code Red right now. Edited October 7, 2022 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, broncosfan_101 said: Whoever decided to move Baron Browning to the edge…damn. Also, lol, cut Montrell Washington already. He’s so bad! whoa whoa whoa on the Washington comment tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofan48 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 The fans leaving early has to resonate with the ownership group. They didn’t hire Hackett and while we are stuck with Russ there has to be changes made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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champ11 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, broncofan48 said: The fans leaving early has to resonate with the ownership group. They didn’t hire Hackett and while we are stuck with Russ there has to be changes made this season is pretty special bc we are a laughing stock lol the previous 6 years we have just been bad with no press bc the team was so uninteresting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germ-x Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Just now, BroncoBruin said: As bad as Hackett has been, Wilson’s been worse. Even open throws he isn’t accurate. Absolutely no clue or feel within this system and doesn’t have the sense to either eat it and run or burn it into the sideline and get another play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofan48 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, champ11 said: this season is pretty special bc we are a laughing stock lol the previous 6 years we have just been bad with no press bc the team was so uninteresting Yep. That’s the 3rd prime time game the team has been embarrassingly bad in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Helicopter said: Might as well blame Elway too - for some abysmal drafting. That was 2017-2020, though. Taking a VERY deep breath - I still love this team. The roster has a TON of talent. And we see the plays & drives, where we all go, "OK, OK, that's what I'm talking about" - bootlegs with Russ with the TE middle / WR short & WR in deeper motion. The motion plays that have sprung Jeudy & Hinton (and that missed Jeudy TD was a BEAUTIFUL design, as was the flag route). Even the 4th and 1 - Hamler was WIDE open. And as @broncosfan_101 pointed out, it's literally the read you can make off that - away from Gilmore, Jeudy/Hamler game that creates that. Wilson owns his share tonight, in spades. He was bad at key moments, and it cost us. But he was also making plays - but we can't string ANY consistency, or momentum. Early on, the way to hammer IND was the pass - we instead ran. Then when the IND D finally wore down (and the key moment when Kwitty Paye left, their run D suffered a TON) - we adjusted and showed success. But the initial 1Q gameplan, the adjustments in-game, and the red zone play-calling - it's all terrible. And yes, again, Wilson wasn't good tonight. But you can fix Wilson with better play-calling. You can ONLY fix bad play-calling by removing the play-caller. Long-term, the better situation is to have a terrible HC / OC holding back the team. That's fixable. Maybe Russ can't be great again - but with Hackett at the helm, we'll never know. The sooner George Paton realizes this the better our org will be. It's got the talent to take that next step, even if Russell Wilson isn't at his best - but not with a HC/OC combo that limits the O's ceiling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, germ-x said: As bad as Hackett has been, Wilson’s been worse. Even open throws he isn’t accurate. Absolutely no clue or feel within this system and doesn’t have the sense to either eat it and run or burn it into the sideline and get another play. The difference is Wilson's fixable. We see the flashes where he makes plays, the team drives. If Hackett was a rookie HC with no extensive experience, you could say that about him, too, being in year 1. The fact Hackett's THIS bad after so many years in orgs, and having followed in his dad's footsteps - it's fair to say Hackett's not fixable. Each week, we say, hey let's give it more time, and look for improvements. And then each week we get more turds. And again, yes, Wilson was bad this time (unlike last week, where he played great - and Hackett decided it was time to go run-heavy with the game on the line in the 3Q - not all games are decided late). So it's not like Hackett's removal suddenly fixes everything. But believe me, it's a step in the right direction. The sooner Paton sees this the better our org will be. Edited October 7, 2022 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 It’s easy to dump on Hackett for everything but this was 100% a Russ loss. There were plays to be made throughout the game. Russ was just awful from start to finish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, Broncofan said: -K'waun Williams made some terrific plays on the ball. He stepped nicely when Darby went down. Been loving K’Wuan in coverage, but that dude has as much interest in defending the run as I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Just now, BroncoBruin said: It’s easy to dump on Hackett for everything but this was 100% a Russ loss. There were plays to be made throughout the game. Russ was just awful from start to finish. This is true. Their relationship is toxic with where the Broncos are at though. Hackett is trying to appease Russ and they are both operating like this is a functional football team. That 3rd and 4 call for the INT (100% on Russ for throw and decision) SHOULD have been a run call with where the game was at and how Russ had been playing. But it was not because Hackett was operating in a way he felt like he should be able to with Russ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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