turtle28 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I know people get pissed about it but the future of this franchise will be much brighter 3 years from now if they take the second path. Lose out or find out now what you have in Howell. Carson Wentz is a road to nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aceinthehouse Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Losing out in the hopes your franchise will turn around because of high draft picks & new hired coaches is not the answer. The Lions have been doing that for years. The Jets have been doing that for years. The Browns have been doing that for years. Etc. Rinse & repeat. What you do need is a good General Manager who is good at Free Agency, good at the draft, good at making trades & good at hiring coaches. It's why the Eagles are where they are & why we are where we are. It's sad, when the football future website fans like you & me, can identify the weaknesses in the team & know what positions need to be addressed (like LBers for example) But the current regime cannot. That's the problem with giving a Head Coach full control. The reason why Washington Redskins/Team/Commanders can't win isn't because of poor coaching, poor players. It's because they haven't had a true Football Manager to coordinate all the above. You go to a Wendy's & order a burger...right? That Manager is making sure everybody is doing their job. Coordinating all positions on the floor. It's why things run smoothly or supposed too. Some Wendy's Managers are better than others. We don't have a Wendy's Manager. We have a bunch a kids having fun, throwing french fries at each other, screwing up the orders, showing up late, etc. And we the fans? We're the Customers & we're pissed off. Until we get someone to run things, it won't matter if we have the #1 pick. It will still be chaos in the kitchen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 36 minutes ago, aceinthehouse said: Losing out in the hopes your franchise will turn around because of high draft picks & new hired coaches is not the answer. The Lions have been doing that for years. The Jets have been doing that for years. The Browns have been doing that for years. Etc. Rinse & repeat. What you do need is a good General Manager who is good at Free Agency, good at the draft, good at making trades & good at hiring coaches. It's why the Eagles are where they are & why we are where we are. It's sad, when the football future website fans like you & me, can identify the weaknesses in the team & know what positions need to be addressed (like LBers for example) But the current regime cannot. That's the problem with giving a Head Coach full control. The reason why Washington Redskins/Team/Commanders can't win isn't because of poor coaching, poor players. It's because they haven't had a true Football Manager to coordinate all the above. You go to a Wendy's & order a burger...right? That Manager is making sure everybody is doing their job. Coordinating all positions on the floor. It's why things run smoothly or supposed too. Some Wendy's Managers are better than others. We don't have a Wendy's Manager. We have a bunch a kids having fun, throwing french fries at each other, screwing up the orders, showing up late, etc. And we the fans? We're the Customers & we're pissed off. Until we get someone to run things, it won't matter if we have the #1 pick. It will still be chaos in the kitchen. Jets & Lions are kind of turning it around now that they have better coaches. The Browns did turn it around finally. They made the playoffs a few years ago, almost made the playoffs last year & have a very solid team. They’ll probably be a playoff team next year bc they’ll have Watson with an entire offseason under his belt to go w/ their great running game & D. The Bengals turned it around. The Dolphins looked like they turned around before Tua’s concussion. The Jags have seemed to turn it around, right now it looks like they very well could win the AFC SOUTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Glad to get back to the forum. Experienced a direct hit from Ian. Just got internet back and this is a nice distraction from the destruction this hurricane caused us. Never want to experience that again 🙏🙏🙏 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Glad to get back to the forum. Experienced a direct hit from Ian. Just got internet back and this is a nice distraction from the destruction this hurricane caused us. Never want to experience that again 🙏🙏🙏 Glad all is well, or as well as it can be after that devastation. Scary stuff, and I hope you and your loved ones made it through as best you could. And we’re glad you’re back too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Glad to get back to the forum. Experienced a direct hit from Ian. Just got internet back and this is a nice distraction from the destruction this hurricane caused us. Never want to experience that again 🙏🙏🙏 Hope you are doing well. I remember Isabel here, and that was a giant rain storm coming up the bay, not all that you guys got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, aceinthehouse said: Losing out in the hopes your franchise will turn around because of high draft picks & new hired coaches is not the answer. The Lions have been doing that for years. The Jets have been doing that for years. The Browns have been doing that for years. Etc. Rinse & repeat. What you do need is a good General Manager who is good at Free Agency, good at the draft, good at making trades & good at hiring coaches. It's why the Eagles are where they are & why we are where we are. It's sad, when the football future website fans like you & me, can identify the weaknesses in the team & know what positions need to be addressed (like LBers for example) But the current regime cannot. That's the problem with giving a Head Coach full control. The reason why Washington Redskins/Team/Commanders can't win isn't because of poor coaching, poor players. It's because they haven't had a true Football Manager to coordinate all the above. You go to a Wendy's & order a burger...right? That Manager is making sure everybody is doing their job. Coordinating all positions on the floor. It's why things run smoothly or supposed too. Some Wendy's Managers are better than others. We don't have a Wendy's Manager. We have a bunch a kids having fun, throwing french fries at each other, screwing up the orders, showing up late, etc. And we the fans? We're the Customers & we're pissed off. Until we get someone to run things, it won't matter if we have the #1 pick. It will still be chaos in the kitchen. Yes, we are now one of those franchises that we hope lucks into getting it right to get a competitive window. We need a GM who can chart a course for years, even decades, like some of the other teams have. And it is not the coach-centered approach, who aside from Belichick, doesn’t work. And even now, I’ll say it looks like Brady masked some of BB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Glad to get back to the forum. Experienced a direct hit from Ian. Just got internet back and this is a nice distraction from the destruction this hurricane caused us. Never want to experience that again 🙏🙏🙏 Glad to have you back, my uncle lives in Bonita Springs, but not near the water. Luckily, he never lost power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) Edited October 7, 2022 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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e16bball Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said: Yes, we are now one of those franchises that we hope lucks into getting it right to get a competitive window. We need a GM who can chart a course for years, even decades, like some of the other teams have. And it is not the coach-centered approach, who aside from Belichick, doesn’t work. And even now, I’ll say it looks like Brady masked some of BB. Agree with you totally about where we are, of course — we are definitely in that position where we need to get lucky with a star QB and let him take the reins. Also completely agree about needing a GM who guides the ship — that’s the absolute key to the deal, we’ve all gotten to see firsthand two separate (and strangely different) stints of well-regarded coaches failing to manage the personnel side effectively. My only quibble with your post is that it seems to imply that we’re in an uncommon position, in the sense that we need to stumble into a QB to ever have a chance at sustained success. I think that’s the case for most teams around the league, to be honest. How many franchises around the league have proven to have a machine in place that’s able to keep winning regardless of the guy under center for them? Baltimore is one, for sure, and the best-run team in the league for my money. Maybe Pittsburgh, although Ben was there for such a long time that it’s kinda hard to tell. Not looking great thus far, post-Ben. Sorta the same thing with New England, post-Brady. Kansas City had a good team prior to Mahomes, but they were never a postseason factor until they got their guy. San Francisco seems like they should be an example, but they’ve also had a lot of terrible years interspersed with their deep runs. I don’t know that TEN or IND has really done enough (for long enough) to put themselves in that class. Maybe the Eagles might be pushing toward that status? I guess my point is that I think it’s true of the vast majority of the league that, for the most part, they go as their QB position goes. Teams can stay on top for about as long as they have a stable franchise guy in place. But otherwise it’s always going to be this year-to-year, “try to catch lightning in a bottle” status. The number of teams who can consistently win without getting “lucky” and landing a top QB is startlingly few, I’d say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 No talented GM is going to work for Snyder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: No talented GM is going to work for Snyder. I always read stuff like this and then Snyder hired whoever he wants. It’s like the “no coach will ever come here” meanwhile Schottenheimer, Spurrier, Gibbs, Shanahan and now Rivera all coached for Snyder. Not saying you’re totally wrong Knight but I just think money talks for the most part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) I disagree with the opinion that no young talented front office personnel person in another organization will work for Snyder as a GM. I know one for sure who would I believe. If Snyder fired Rivera after the season & offered Kyle Smith the GM job in mid January & allowed Kyle Smith to hire his own HC while allowing him to remake the scouting department, I think Kyle Smith would take the job as would a lot of guys in their late 30s or 40s who’ve been working in an NFL front office for a decade or two waiting for a shot to be a GM & build their own team. While working for Snyder sucks, there’s only 32 GM jobs in the NFL, just like there’s only 32 HC jobs in the NFL. If a guy is able to double or triple their current salary - or more - they’re going to take that chance & that $! Who wouldn’t? @lavar703 I think you’d enjoy this article. https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/obsessed-with-the-process-how-kyle-smith-became-terry-fontenot-s-right-hand-man Edited October 8, 2022 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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