Joe Barry'd again

[Packerraymond]

Terrifying indeed.

[Mazrimiv]

PIT is a team that would rather run the ball than pass the ball.  Barry's approach was to allow PIT to run the ball rather than pass the ball.  Allowing the opposition to stay in their comfort zone is Barry in a nutshell.

[incognito_man]

2 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

but the abuse he gets is becoming more and more unfair from an increasingly toxic fanbase.

it's really not. we were very recently a bottom 4 defensive DVOA unit. There's nothing unfair about the criticism he receives.

[hitnhope]

Pittsburgh averaged 90.5 rushing yards per game prior to this week.

Packers allowed 205 rushing yards.   

Anyone who excuses Barry of anything is off base.   His scheme is that of a loser.  We don't force turnovers.  We give up long drives by giving away first downs.  We play light in the box even in short yardage situations.   We play defense as passively as any team that I have seen.

[Rainmaker90]

Ok. Now I’m getting concerned. If Matt wants to defend this crap then maybe he is a big part of the problem

 

Do many other teams do this? Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention?

[Isherwood]

8 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

Ok. Now I’m getting concerned. If Matt wants to defend this crap then maybe he is a big part of the problem

 

Do many other teams do this? Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention?

Other teams definitely use these same formations all the time, however GB under Barry seems to be really piss poor at alignment in short yardage situations. I don't even think the personnel is the problem much of the time, but how they are lined up. Just from one amateur observer's opinion. 

[AlexGreen#20]

55 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

Ok. Now I’m getting concerned. If Matt wants to defend this crap then maybe he is a big part of the problem

 

Do many other teams do this? Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention?

What an *******. 

1. Let the man ask his question without interrupting him. I know you're butthurt you lost, but that doesn't give you permission to be a ****. There are plenty of legitimate questions that could come off of that:

• Do you have to adjust your personnel because all your 3T keep getting combo'd off of?
• Did you feel you were moving your safeties up into the box enough to stop the Steelers run game. 
• When you're getting killed on the ground, are you tempted to back into the base, or into a 3-3-5?
• Why the **** were you slanting so much against a ****ty Offensive Line?
• What can you do better to have your Safeties better prepared to fill in the run game so your team doesn't look so ******* stupid. 

2. The 2-4 or 4-2, or however the **** you define it internally is not the only nickel alignment. Your own ******* team has run plenty of 3-3-5 nickel defenses over the last few years. Plenty of teams run plenty of 3-3-5 for the exact reason that it gives you more beef on the front line to defend against the run. 

"With 2 down lineman" is a perfectly adequate way of describing a 2-4/4-2, differentiating it from the 3-3-5, without getting into the very quibbling bull**** that LaFleur is going to bring up here. 

He knows what a ******* down lineman is. It's somebody lined up on the ball in a 3 or 4 point stance. That's what the "down" in down lineman means.

3. Saying "You're wrong because we define things internally this way, differently than how every other level of football does, aren't I smart?" doesn't make you smart. It just makes you an *******.  

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by AlexGreen#20

[Gopackgonerd]

34 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

Ok. Now I’m getting concerned. If Matt wants to defend this crap then maybe he is a big part of the problem

 

Do many other teams do this? Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention?

Matt you gotta know what they mean lol. You're technically right but that doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. We don't have the guys to play the run with 2 fatties and 2 DEs*. You can change it from 2 to 4 but you still need 5.

[Mazrimiv]

Whatever kind of mental wall MLF has created to deal with the stress of coaching in the NFL, this season is revealing some cracks.

[AlexGreen#20]

9 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said:

Matt you gotta know what they mean lol. You're technically right but that doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. We don't have the guys to play the run with 2 fatties and 2 DEs*. You can change it from 2 to 4 but you still need 5.

He's not even TECHNICALLY right. 

OLBs are not DOWN lineman. If he wants to argue that they fill the same role and are functionally the same as down lineman, that's a conversation, but that isn't technically correct. 

Edited November 13, 2023 by AlexGreen#20

[packfanfb]

3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

He's not even TECHNICALLY right. 

OLBs are not DOWN lineman. 

You mean, Preston Smith isn't an Edge-DE-CB?

[Leader]

Watch the tape MLF. Regardless of how you (mis)characterize the OLBs - they're not part of the solution when the actual 2 DL are getting manhandled, opening HUGE running lanes  directly into the LB space and beyond.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Leader

[Gopackgonerd]

10 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

He's not even TECHNICALLY right. 

OLBs are not DOWN lineman. If he wants to argue that they fill the same role and are functionally the same as down lineman, that's a conversation, but that isn't technically correct. 

I'm guessing he meant the role,  but either way the defense of it was stupid 

[AlexGreen#20]

Just now, Gopackgonerd said:

I'm guessing he meant the role,  but either way the defense of it was stupid 

I know what he meant. 

But if you're going to be a pedantic *******, you better be ******* right. 

[Leader]