How 🔥 is McDaniels Seat?

[NYRaider]

3 hours ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

He **** up big time at the end.

BOB was pretty good as a head coach, he just shouldn’t have ever been given full control. He only had one losing season in Houston.

[Jeremy408]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

He’s still a member of the Patriots coaching tree though. The fact that he was a college coach before he became an NFL coach doesn’t change the fact that he’s a Bill disciple lol

Talking about people who went from patriots coordinator directly to NFL head coach(there has been eight of those over the course of 20 years) so we know what that sample size has brought

[Jeremy408]

16 minutes ago, Styrian Raider said:

So JMD will never count anyway, cause he was head coach in Denver already?

 well actually that proves my point he got a chance at before us head coach and was garbage. He's one of the eight examples over the course of 20 years

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said:

Talking about people who went from patriots coordinator directly to NFL head coach(there has been eight of those over the course of 20 years) so we know what that sample size has brought

You have to go straight from coordinator to HC to count under someone’s coaching tree? 

[Jeremy408]

54 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

Which one of them every had a QB? 

You can write off BOB and Vrabel, but both were brought up in the Pats culture. Both had QBs to work with when taking HC gigs. 

LOL Vrabal was a player. Who's coaching experience comes from Ohio State as a linebacker coach then as a defensive coordinator for the Houston Texans. He wasn't hired for being on the patriots staff lol

BOB what is a head coach at Penn State. Like when he first got hired by the Texans he was known as the former Penn State coach not the patriots offensive coordinator. He had proven his merit as a HEAD COACH at some level before becoming an NFL head coach. He wasn't just hired for being on the patriots staff lol

[Jeremy408]

2 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

You have to go straight from coordinator to HC to count under someone’s coaching tree? 

 You have to not get hired because you coached in New England lol. We've seen 8 examples over 20 years for what happens when you do that.

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said:

 You have to not get hired because you coached in New England lol. We've seen 8 examples over 20 years for what happens when you do that.

JMD has been highly regarded around the league for a while though. The Broncos hired him, the Colts wanted to hire him, and obviously we just hired him as well. 

[NYRaider]

7 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

LOL Vrabal was a player. Who's coaching experience comes from Ohio State as a linebacker coach then as a defensive coordinator for the Houston Texans. He wasn't hired for being on the patriots staff lol

BOB what is a head coach at Penn State. Like when he first got hired by the Texans he was known as the former Penn State coach not the patriots offensive coordinator. He had proven his merit as a HEAD COACH at some level before becoming an NFL head coach. He wasn't just hired for being on the patriots staff lol

I don’t think JMD’s incapable of having success based on what other guys have done. 
 

Obviously our season didn’t go as planned but the team was still competitive week in and week out despite a flawed roster, a ton of injuries, Carr regressing, etc.

[Jerry]

30 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I don’t think JMD’s incapable of having success based on what other guys have done. 
 

Obviously our season didn’t go as planned but the team was still competitive week in and week out despite a flawed roster, a ton of injuries, Carr regressing, etc.

We were a half time team that couldn't close games.  Nothing about us was competitive.  We gave up 4-5 10+ point leads this season.  We are terrible at making adjustments during the game and our defense fell apart every Sunday.  This was the least competitive we've been in at least 3 years.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Jerry

[NYRaider]

Just now, Jerry said:

We were a half time team that couldn't close games.  Nothing about us was competitive.  We gave up 4-5 10+ point leads this season.  We are terrible at making adjustments during the game and our defense fell apart every Sunday.  This was the least competitive we've been in 3 years.

9/11 losses were by a single score, the only exceptions were the Saints game and the final game against the Chiefs with Stidham. We obviously didn’t close games well but we weren’t just getting throttled and the team didn’t quit. Carr just wasn’t good in clutch situations this year. 

[Jerry]

1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

9/11 losses were by a single score, the only exceptions were the Saints game and the final game against the Chiefs with Stidham. We obviously didn’t close games well but we weren’t just getting throttled and the team didn’t quit. Carr just wasn’t good in clutch situations this year. 

Bro watching those games where we gave up 10+ point leads definitely looked like teams that just quit.  Did you not watch the second half of the Cardinals game?  We should have just sat on the bench after the first half.

[NYRaider]

8 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Bro watching those games where we gave up 10+ point leads definitely looked like teams that just quit.  Did you not watch the second half of the Cardinals game?  We should have just sat on the bench after the first half.

Carr was also significantly worse in the second half. 
 

1st half: 1,852 yards (66% comp), 14 TD, 6 INT, 96.6 passer rating 

2nd half: 1,570 yards (55% comp), 9 TD, 8 INT, 74.4 passer rating 

[Jerry]

9 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Carr was also significantly worse in the second half. 
 

1st half: 1,852 yards (66% comp), 14 TD, 6 INT, 96.6 passer rating 

2nd half: 1,570 yards (55% comp), 9 TD, 8 INT, 74.4 passer rating 

Can't argue with numbers.  We were not a good second half team.

[ronjon1990]

5 hours ago, Jeremy408 said:

Doesn't count he was a head coach at penn state first. Try again

Eh, I'd count BoB. 

Still doesn't say much though. Houston became a disaster after enjoying a few years of being the best of a bunch of AFCS turds. If someone is citing Bill O'Brien as a success story, let them, but it says quite a lot lol

It goes deeper than HC. Bill Belichick IS the Patriots organization. He's the HC and has been defacto GM for ages. I question both coaches and front office types that come out of New England. 

The Easterby-O'Brien dynasty left Houston wrecked. I'm not really even sold that Nick Caserio has a great idea of what he's doing as GM there now. It's exciting to think about, given the resources they have and how they got a nifty HC in Demeco Ryans. But they also haven't actually accomplished anything beyond 2 lame duck HCs and a couple of meh draft picks since he's been GM. 

Houston should be a cautionary tale of trying to replicate the Patriots. 

Edited February 14, 2023 by ronjon1990

[Jeremy408]

4 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

Eh, I'd count BoB. 

Still doesn't say much though. Houston became a disaster after enjoying a few years of being the best of a bunch of AFCS turds. If someone is citing Bill O'Brien as a success story, let them, but it says quite a lot lol

Dont get me wrong his record was 52-48 which is nothing to write about after basically taking over Gary Kubiaks roster(who was already a perennial playoff team) on a down year. But im still not going to grant that. He was hired from Penn State not the patriots.