Chali21 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, NYRaider said: If you're JMD / DZ: Option A: You trade #7 for Aaron Rodgers but put yourself in a must win situation where the seat could be hot enough that you're fired in 2024 if things don't go well. Option B: Put your faith into a developmental QB like Levis or Richardson where you likely buy yourself more time but your job security is dependent on a super raw prospect. Option C draft a defensive player at either 7 or trade down and take one because you’re trying to build a team.  The top priority should be to get a franchise QB and if one cannot be obtained then they should build out the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chali21 said: Option C draft a defensive player at either 7 or trade down and take one because you’re trying to build a team. The top priority should be to get a franchise QB and if one cannot be obtained then they should build out the roster. Option C of going into the season with someone like Stidham starting might be riskier than A or B to be honest, lol. To get rid of Carr with no real plan to replace him and waste a season of Adams, etc. would be pretty crazy and I doubt MD would be thrilled by the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: I can't wait when a "stopgap bum" comes here and wins more games than Carr. Your head is going to explode. My thing with this assumption though is that if it doesn’t or are you just going to make another built-in excuse where you just say that Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler have to implement their vision again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 It's crazy to me how much flack that JMD/DZ get when Gruden traded away more pieces, tore it down to being a non-competitive team, and still was pretty well received by the fanbase, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 58 minutes ago, NYRaider said: It's crazy to me how much flack that JMD/DZ get when Gruden traded away more pieces, tore it down to being a non-competitive team, and still was pretty well received by the fanbase, lol. It's because of the Patriots. That's it, though they will tell you differently. Gruden came in, repeated the same ridiculous strategy in FA and the draft that got him fired in Tampa and people still universally loved him for the most part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, big_palooka said: It's because of the Patriots. That's it, though they will tell you differently. Gruden came in, repeated the same ridiculous strategy in FA and the draft that got him fired in Tampa and people still universally loved him for the most part. I also think people romanticize Rich's time as the HC and how he took us to the playoffs so they had a reason to dislike JMD from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: My thing with this assumption though is that if it doesn’t or are you just going to make another built-in excuse where you just say that Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler have to implement their vision again? What are you asking exactly? In any event, a staff should get 3 years to evaluate and put their system, culture, etc. in place. You can't fix it all in one offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 45 minutes ago, big_palooka said: What are you asking exactly? In any event, a staff should get 3 years to evaluate and put their system, culture, etc. in place. You can't fix it all in one offseason. Especially when you consider that the previous regime missed on a historic number of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks and left the new regime with the most dead cap of any team in the league, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: What are you asking exactly? In any event, a staff should get 3 years to evaluate and put their system, culture, etc. in place. You can't fix it all in one offseason. He's asking how long it will take you to jump to your papi's defense when things continue to be garbage next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 hours ago, NYRaider said: Option C of going into the season with someone like Stidham starting might be riskier than A or B to be honest, lol. To get rid of Carr with no real plan to replace him and waste a season of Adams, etc. would be pretty crazy and I doubt MD would be thrilled by the idea. To be fair, that would be Mark's own fault. It was entirely possible to figure out a way to move away from Carr without shooting ourselves in the foot. Davis saw to it that we gashed our foot open, pissed in it, sewed it up to fester, and ultimately amputated it with a rusty butter knife. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: To be fair, that would be Mark's own fault. It was entirely possible to figure out a way to move away from Carr without shooting ourselves in the foot. Davis saw to it that we gashed our foot open, pissed in it, sewed it up to fester, and ultimately amputated it with a rusty butter knife. Mark is the one that negotiated a February 15th deadline and a no trade clause? It seems pretty clear that they had all of their eggs in the TB12 basket and that's why they were so ready to move on from DC. But at this point if we don't get Rodgers, Stroud, or Young, it'll look like a bad decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Mark is the one that negotiated a February 15th deadline and a no trade clause? It seems pretty clear that they had all of their eggs in the TB12 basket and that's why they were so ready to move on from DC. But at this point if we don't get Rodgers, Stroud, or Young, it'll look like a bad decision. No the Feb 15 deadline isn't on Mark alone. Signalling to the rest of the league that they could acquire Carr without having to give us anything in return is. That was a historically dumb decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: No the Feb 15 deadline isn't on Mark alone. Signalling to the rest of the league that they could acquire Carr without having to give us anything in return is. That was a historically dumb decision. The February 15th deadline seems to be 100% on Dave Ziegler but again that's the price of doing business when you're negotiating a $121M extension that only has $9M in GTD money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The February 15th deadline seems to be 100% on Dave Ziegler but again that's the price of doing business when you're negotiating a $121M extension that only has $9M in GTD money. Yes, but it's not as if there was never a hope of trading Carr before that deadline. Before Mark went all Jerry Jones and started meddling, there was a sliver of hope. Once he pulled the plug, that was it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Yes, but it's not as if there was never a hope of trading Carr before that deadline. Before Mark went all Jerry Jones and started meddling, there was a sliver of hope. Once he pulled the plug, that was it. I think the February 15th deadline was going to make it damn near impossible to move him regardless. A lot of potential suitors didn't even have offensive staffs fully in place (Carolina, Tampa, NYJ, Washington, Houston, Indy) and there weren't a ton of teams that had the space to absorb his deal a month before the new league year started. New Orleans, Tampa, and to a lesser extent the Jets all have to get creative if they're going to sign him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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