TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Exactly what I said. This is a bad habit of Purdy's and one area where Trey has him beat. Purdy is nimble and can get out of sacks but he just backs up far too much and then likes to spin out even further. Trey does a good job of keeping his eyes down the field and stepping up in the pocket....He has his issues, but his pocket movement is very solid, even at his young age. If Purdy steps up, then that's an easy TD and the hit does not happen. You can't just judge plays off the end result. Love Mike Martz. One of my NFL guilty treasures. The comment section on that video is full of snark towards him and the history of his quarterbacks taking a boatload of sacks, but I still like his logic on that breakdown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49ersfan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: After reading some commentary online from some other folks whose opinion I respect, and admittedly my emotions have calmed to a degree, that play which resulted in Purdy's injury doesn't warrant a scapegoat. Just a combo of bad circumstances rolled into one within a split second. Ideally Kroft could have held the block for another nanosecond, and Purdy could have gotten rid of the rock faster, or at least felt the pressure coming. Even though Shanahan is seemingly running through QBs faster than Elizabeth Taylor ran through boyfriends, he's just having an avalanche of luck sequestered in the black. Glock13 getting a UCL injury is just the latest kick to the balls. On to 2023. The 49ers will be back with a vengeance. Emotions run high in GDT's but man the NFL Gen one was unreal. Multiple people calling Shanny a choker, multiple rams fans seemingly cheering this loss more than their SB win last year. Every fanbase has go to through it, Vikings got it bad when they lost, Cowboys too, etc. But sheesh, people just went with their pre-determined narratives no matter the result It felt like every bad call, every 50/50 call, every injury, every bounce, etc went against us. What can you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Just now, 49ersfan said: Emotions run high in GDT's but man the NFL Gen one was unreal. Multiple people calling Shanny a choker, multiple rams fans seemingly cheering this loss more than their SB win last year. Every fanbase has go to through it, Vikings got it bad when they lost, Cowboys too, etc. But sheesh, people just went with their pre-determined narratives no matter the result It felt like every bad call, every 50/50 call, every injury, every bounce, etc went against us. What can you do Ahhh yes, that's not a shock. I was only here for the game, not there. Especially after it started to snowball early, I wasn't going to the Gen thread for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, 49ersfan said: Emotions run high in GDT's but man the NFL Gen one was unreal. Multiple people calling Shanny a choker, multiple rams fans seemingly cheering this loss more than their SB win last year. I tried to stay out of that one.. There is a stark difference in how outside fans view our team and how the 49ers forum as a whole does. We are all just as critical, but without the histrionic nonsense that we see from the outside. Unfortunately for Kyle, I don't think there's anything he can do to finally get the respect he deserves from the outside until he wins a Super Bowl. I didn't even watch that Falcons super bowl (Feb 2017, bet I was at the farm getting it finished up or I was just sleeping 😴) BUT you can't tell me such an epic collapse is all on the OC.. yet for some reason he gets all the blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Yep, we run that type of play action numerous times every game. Like Joe Thomas said, don't applaud Shanny for his play designs and he fools defenses by having a TE or FB block DEs, but then get mad when it does not work. It was just unfortunate, that's all. Purdy could have stepped up in the pocket earlier in the drop and if he does that then he avoids that hit and injury. Kroft could have held up for a split second more and Purdy likely still gets it off to Aiyuk. The worst part of it all is that Aiyuk likely scores if Purdy hits him in stride. Bradberry was slipping and would not have caught Aiyuk and then it comes does to CGJ but he had quite a bit of ground to make up. Just terrible all around. Yep, it's all technique right there. Kinlaw gets too upright but the funny thing is you could pull some clips of Buckner getting washed away from double teams as well. It's hard dealing with those double teams at that size. Have to perfect your technique but how is Kinlaw supposed to do that when he is spending majority of his time recovering from injuries every offseason? This has nothing to do with if he is strong enough to hold it...As he is but his technique is poor at the moment. Really hoping Kalia Davis is going to be a good one and is able to contribute next season. But we are going to need another interior DL that is better at holding double teams. Any cheap free agents that fit the ball? TY McGill and Kevin Givens, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Exactly what I said. This is a bad habit of Purdy's and one area where Trey has him beat. Purdy is nimble and can get out of sacks but he just backs up far too much and then likes to spin out even further. Trey does a good job of keeping his eyes down the field and stepping up in the pocket....He has his issues, but his pocket movement is very solid, even at his young age. If Purdy steps up, then that's an easy TD and the hit does not happen. You can't just judge plays off the end result. 2 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Exactly what I said. This is a bad habit of Purdy's and one area where Trey has him beat. Purdy is nimble and can get out of sacks but he just backs up far too much and then likes to spin out even further. Trey does a good job of keeping his eyes down the field and stepping up in the pocket....He has his issues, but his pocket movement is very solid, even at his young age. If Purdy steps up, then that's an easy TD and the hit does not happen. You can't just judge plays off the end result. I think he was throwing sooner than usual because the defender fell down. Hitching would give the CB more time to recover. There isn't much of a pause at the top of his drop. Not sure if he would have thrown it immediately if he could have avoided the contact. Martz always expected his QB's to be able to do things in the pocket that seemed pretty unreasonable. JT O'SmellingSalts might have an opinion on that. I feel like him "holding onto the ball" is a super slow motion illusion. A step up, re-set then throw probably doesn't get there in time, in my opinion. I haven't broken down the all 22 on it with regards to the timing, but neither does Martz. The late corner throw would usually have two hithches, but the guy fell down so purdy tried to get the ball out at the best possible time. I don't dock him for that, it was a good decision at a bad time. Sometimes these things happen, it's not really anybody's fault. You just make sure to have a ready back-up in place. I do think Kroft has underperformed as a blocker on most plays, and doesn't add much to the passing game. I would felt better about the play call if Woerner got blown up on that, as he has been the better blocker. Why even have Kroft on the field at all? What does he do better than Juice? Edited January 31, 2023 by Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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757-NINER Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Forge said: I understand why you had to have that protection drawn up for that call. I just will never be comfortable with a 2nd/3rd string TE having to block a menace off the edge with 17 sacks. If it were Kittle I wouldn't have been as dumfounded. Kittle has the pedigree to hold up better in that situation. Not Kroft. He had no chance. I noticed it pre-snap. I said if they're running any kind of action, they have to have somebody chip on the weakside because Reddick will eat any of our TEs alive. Hell, I didn't even want McG trying to block him one-on-one. That's how good that dude was this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman9er Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Victim blaming.. how gross and blue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, 757-NINER said: I understand why you had to have that protection drawn up for that call. I just will never be comfortable with a 2nd/3rd string TE having to block a menace off the edge with 17 sacks. If it were Kittle I wouldn't have been as dumfounded. Kittle has the pedigree to hold up better in that situation. Not Kroft. He had no chance. I noticed it pre-snap. I said if they're running any kind of action, they have to have somebody chip on the weakside because Reddick will eat any of our TEs alive. Hell, I didn't even want McG trying to block him one-on-one. That's how good that dude was this year. It's a staple of the offense for the entire time he's been here and often involves a backup tight end blocking these guys. Nobody complains until someone gets hurt. It's playing the results. Nobody cares if that's a touchdown. We did the same thing to parsons. we've done it to TJ Watt. To take these away is to take away one of the things that makes Shanny a great offensive mind (especially with limited quarterbacks). I just can't be mad at it. Disguising this stuff so well is what makes him what he is. Not that I put much stock in PFF, but Kroft historically a much better pass protector than George Kittle. Kittle is a tremendous run blocker because he gets to drive...not sure he's all that great in pass pro. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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N4L Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 4:08 PM, oldman9er said: Victim blaming.. how gross and blue. Can you please cut it out with the political rhetoric?? It is growing rather tiresome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 19 hours ago, N4L said: Can you please cut it out with the political rhetoric?? It is growing rather tiresome. Everyone processes things/resolves things differently. If we would all respect that, then we might actually get along instead of just pretend to do so. I believe I have heard some say "If you don't like, scroll on"? There's also the ignore option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Chrissooner49er said: Everyone processes things/resolves things differently. If we would all respect that, then we might actually get along instead of just pretend to do so. I believe I have heard some say "If you don't like, scroll on"? There's also the ignore option. No, it doesn't work that way. Politics is actually against the forum rules. https://forums.footballsfuture.com/guidelines/ I give people some leeway here and there, but honestly I get it . I've had to hide and delete posts in the pasts because of the very clear political bent of a response. This forum has been around forever. Everyone knows that we shouldn't be taking posts in that direction. At some point I'm just throwing out warnings and then Webby can decide on possible bans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, Forge said: No, it doesn't work that way. Politics is actually against the forum rules. https://forums.footballsfuture.com/guidelines/ While true, I have seen non-Conservative viewpoints/posts get a pass. But, Conservatives are always hushed in society today, even when later proved correct (See Twitter Files regarding 2020 election). And that's all I am going to say about that, regardless of any possible replies because I generally and genuinely like this place. I just could not be silent about a double standard. Hope no offense was taken, but I could not let that pass. I for one take no offense, just had to speak up. Thank you. Moving on now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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