incognito_man Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 best breakdown of the situation i've seen: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, ET80 said: Being in contention and legit Super Bowl contenders are two different things to me; LAC and Baltimore are in contention, whoever wins the AFCS is in contention. Depending on which Deshaun Watson shows up, Cleveland is contention. If the Sean Payton/Russell Wilson pairing brings DangeRUSS back, Denver is in contention. You’re right in saying an Aaron Rodgers-led Jets are in contention. The only three teams in the AFC that are legit Super Bowl contenders? Buffalo, KC and Cincy. part of why I am curious if Rodgers wants to go to the AFC KC, CIN, BUF, JAX, BAL, CLE, MIA, LAC... 8 teams with youngish QB 7 of which were 2022 playoff participants, Then you toss in PIT and NE with HC that seem to be consistently in the mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, squire12 said: so you agree that the dead cap ramifications for the new team is very different vs a Rodgers deal. MVP or not, the dead cap matters Yes. But teams don't make decisions based on potential future dead caps. They make decisions based on current cap hits and on-field production. If the Jets believe that Rodgers makes them a legitimate Super Bowl contender, they'll trade a strong package for Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Yes. But teams don't make decisions based on potential future dead caps. They make decisions based on current cap hits and on-field production. If the Jets believe that Rodgers makes them a legitimate Super Bowl contender, they'll trade a strong package for Rodgers. you don't think players get cut based on future dead cap? Contracts are structured with future cap /dead cap ramifications in mind? you have never heard of the phrase " the team has an out in x years"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 GB trades an aging legend that is seen as a choke artist despite winning one SB to the Jets so the backup they've been developing for three years can finally start. Why does that sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, biggie. said: GB trades an aging legend that is seen as a choke artist despite winning one SB to the Jets so the backup they've been developing for three years can finally start. Why does that sound familiar? Jordan Love HOFer marketdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: you don't think players get cut based on future dead cap? Contracts are structured with future cap /dead cap ramifications in mind? you have never heard of the phrase " the team has an out in x years"? Teams aren't going to completely avoid a player simply because they could have a large dead cap X amount of years in the future. Teams are always going to be looking at the next 1-2 years. The leash of an average GM isn't going to be so long that they'll worry about that far into the future. Does Aaron Rodgers make the Jets a legitimate Super Bowl contender in 2023? Probably. And based on that, what are the Jets' alternatives. Right now, they can either trade for Aaron Rodgers, sign Jimmy G to a large contract, or pony up a ton of draft picks for QBs. They haven't drafted a legitimate starting QB since they took Chad Pennington in 2000. Since 2000, they've drafted 3 QBs in the top 5 and none have gotten a second contract from the Jets. They're almost certainly going the veteran QB route. We've seen what Jimmy G has to offer, and if he can't win with San Francisco what makes you think he can do that with New York? Unfortunately, when Derek Carr decided to sign with New Orleans, the Jets lost all their leverage with regards to an Aaron Rodgers' trade. That's not to say that Green Bay can necessarily demand an arm and a leg, because right now the Jets are the only known suitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Teams aren't going to completely avoid a player simply because they could have a large dead cap X amount of years in the future. Teams are always going to be looking at the next 1-2 years. The leash of an average GM isn't going to be so long that they'll worry about that far into the future. Does Aaron Rodgers make the Jets a legitimate Super Bowl contender in 2023? Probably. And based on that, what are the Jets' alternatives. Right now, they can either trade for Aaron Rodgers, sign Jimmy G to a large contract, or pony up a ton of draft picks for QBs. They haven't drafted a legitimate starting QB since they took Chad Pennington in 2000. Since 2000, they've drafted 3 QBs in the top 5 and none have gotten a second contract from the Jets. They're almost certainly going the veteran QB route. We've seen what Jimmy G has to offer, and if he can't win with San Francisco what makes you think he can do that with New York? Unfortunately, when Derek Carr decided to sign with New Orleans, the Jets lost all their leverage with regards to an Aaron Rodgers' trade. That's not to say that Green Bay can necessarily demand an arm and a leg, because right now the Jets are the only known suitor. So Jimmy G having been to the super bowl more recently than Rodgers has, yet wouldn't make NYJ a super bowl contender when he would be acquired for no draft picks? IF Rodgers is the able to make NYJ a super bowl contender, why is GB willing to move off him? Why aren't more teams in on ROdgers if teams aren't concerned about future dead cap on the contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, squire12 said: So Jimmy G having been to the super bowl more recently than Rodgers has, yet wouldn't make NYJ a super bowl contender when he would be acquired for no draft picks? IF Rodgers is the able to make NYJ a super bowl contender, why is GB willing to move off him? Why aren't more teams in on ROdgers if teams aren't concerned about future dead cap on the contract? We've seen peak Jimmy G. He wasn't good enough to win a Super Bowl, and San Francisco traded 2 future FRPs to move up to select Trey Lance. They went to the Super Bowl in spite of Jimmy G. Not because of Jimmy G. If Jimmy G in a near perfect situation couldn't win a Super Bowl with New York, why do you realistically think it'll be any different? There's a reason why Rodgers has been the focal point of the Jets' QB search. Not Jimmy G. And moving off of Aaron Rodgers has more to do with their opinion of Jordan Love than it does their opinion of Aaron Rodgers. They wouldn't even be entertaining the idea of trading Aaron Rodgers if they weren't convinced that Jordan Love was their starting QB. It would be a retirement or come back to Green Bay only. They wouldn't entertain trading him. Probably part of the reason why they didn't trade him this past offseason. Something transpired between then and now. First off, the Jets are the only ones that have been reported. It's possible there are more suitors that haven't been named. But I think there's been enough good will between Rodgers and the Packers' FO that they're trying to keep this breakup as clean as possible. Rodgers doesn't sabotage his trade value, Packers won't try and ravage the team he's being traded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: We've seen peak Jimmy G. He wasn't good enough to win a Super Bowl, and San Francisco traded 2 future FRPs to move up to select Trey Lance. They went to the Super Bowl in spite of Jimmy G. Not because of Jimmy G. If Jimmy G in a near perfect situation couldn't win a Super Bowl with New York, why do you realistically think it'll be any different? There's a reason why Rodgers has been the focal point of the Jets' QB search. Not Jimmy G. Rodgers playing at MVP level with all pro WR, olineman, All pro EDGE and CB couldn't get to the super bowl and is now 2+ years older. Hell, Rodgers could lead his team past Jimmy G at home. 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: And moving off of Aaron Rodgers has more to do with their opinion of Jordan Love than it does their opinion of Aaron Rodgers. They wouldn't even be entertaining the idea of trading Aaron Rodgers if they weren't convinced that Jordan Love was their starting QB. It would be a retirement or come back to Green Bay only. They wouldn't entertain trading him. Probably part of the reason why they didn't trade him this past offseason. Something transpired between then and now. but if ROdgers is the QB that instantly makes a team a Super Bowl contender, why move off him? the comp means that Love must be similar.....OR maybe there is something else??? 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: First off, the Jets are the only ones that have been reported. It's possible there are more suitors that haven't been named. But I think there's been enough good will between Rodgers and the Packers' FO that they're trying to keep this breakup as clean as possible. Rodgers doesn't sabotage his trade value, Packers won't try and ravage the team he's being traded to. so what do you feel meets the bold above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak1 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 5 hours ago, squire12 said: Packer fans tend to overvalue their own players. Like most fans do. Hey, cmon. Brett Huntley should’ve garnered multiple firsts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, biggie. said: GB trades an aging legend that is seen as a choke artist despite winning one SB to the Jets so the backup they've been developing for three years can finally start. Why does that sound familiar? Countdown to the “Crocs shot” begins now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Fans of teams always overrate what they think their player will get. I remember 49ers fans thinking teams were gonna trade first round picks for Jimmy when they drafted Trey Lance. Obviously this situation is very different, but Rodgers is old, his contract is big, his off-field behaviour has been bizarre, his on-field demeanour has been questionable and if there's only one team in on Rodgers it'll drive the price down significantly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 8 hours ago, squire12 said: part of why I am curious if Rodgers wants to go to the AFC KC, CIN, BUF, JAX, BAL, CLE, MIA, LAC... 8 teams with youngish QB 7 of which were 2022 playoff participants, Then you toss in PIT and NE with HC that seem to be consistently in the mix. And the irony and pride factor of being a Jet like Favre is a very interesting narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: Fans of teams always overrate what they think their player will get. I remember 49ers fans thinking teams were gonna trade first round picks for Jimmy when they drafted Trey Lance. Obviously this situation is very different, but Rodgers is old, his contract is big, his off-field behaviour has been bizarre, his on-field demeanour has been questionable and if there's only one team in on Rodgers it'll drive the price down significantly. ...but, but he is a 4x MVP. That is worth like 1 FRP for each MVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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