The Truth Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, MacReady said: Just remember half of Packer fandom hated Nick Collins before Dom Capers came in. Savage has the physical ability to be an elite “free” safety. We’ve seen him flash this multiple times. He’s shown some serious whiffs on tackling, so I don’t think he could come back and turn into some elite well-rounded safety, but I think he’s absolutely capable of becoming a plus Darren Sharper type who could take the ball away and cause a QB to second guess himself depending on our new defensive coordinator/scheme. Unfortunately for Savage, tackling is fundamental to being a good football player especially safety, need to move on, we can do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truth Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said: If you don't like Kinchens (and I can see why you don't), there are always the CB/S conversions, or perhaps positionally versatile is a better description. The most obvious is Cooper DeJean..............but less obvious is Terrion Arnold the Alabama CB who has played safety and is 6'0", 196, 4.45. He is seen as a good tackler (which GB needs). He is maybe an inch shorter, 8lbs lighter and a little faster than DeJean. From Draft Buzz (my go-to site this year) In 2023, he increased his playing time to 13 games with 780 snaps. His performance also improved with 47 tackles, 13 assists, 21 stops, alongside 12 pass breakups, 5 interceptions, and an elite quarterback rating when targeted of 52.5. He might be there at 25, but also might go around #20. In my latest draft attempt (nflmockdraft simulator) (no trades) I gave a little more emphasis on DBs and a bit less on O line, which got me: CB Terrion Arnold Alabama RB Blake Corum Michigan S Javon Bullard Georgia ILB Payton Wilson N.C.State C (G?) Sedrick Van Pran Georgia S Jaden Hicks Washington St. K Will Reichard Alabama I liked every single pick here (not always the case, in fact quite rare). Also, every prospect (except Payton Wilson) was a big program guy. I missed on the slot corner Sainistril (who went quite late, at #120). Could almost (but not quite) have had him instead of Hicks (#126) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 17 minutes ago, The Truth said: Unfortunately for Savage, tackling is fundamental to being a good football player especially safety, need to move on, we can do better. I’m not opposed to upgrading there, but at what cost? A major free agent addition? A high draft pick? I am in the keep Savage boat. Savage isn’t getting big money and he has flashed a lot of potential. I’m easily bringing him back on a one year deal to see what he looks like with a new coordinator. Add more to the group for sure, but keep Savage 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, MacReady said: I’m not opposed to upgrading there, but at what cost? A major free agent addition? A high draft pick? I am in the keep Savage boat. Savage isn’t getting big money and he has flashed a lot of potential. I’m easily bringing him back on a one year deal to see what he looks like with a new coordinator. Add more to the group for sure, but keep Savage keep savage and have him play nickle corner; it's what he's been best at IMO. Don't keep him and have him play safety though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Going off of PFF data.... I'd love to bring in a quality vet FA to the safety room. McKinney from the Giants was the #4 safety per PFF. And he had the highest coverage score of 91.2. Then I'd like to bring on in to compliment him...more of an attacker. I'll happily take the #16 ranked safety per PFF. That safety is Darnell Savage. Then I'd like to draft one somewhere and let that kid develop as S3. Keep Owens and JJJ as reserves, special teams guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Rudy Ford> Savage IMO. (as a safety) Edited January 25 by skibrett15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 25 minutes ago, MacReady said: I’m not opposed to upgrading there, but at what cost? A major free agent addition? A high draft pick? I am in the keep Savage boat. Savage isn’t getting big money and he has flashed a lot of potential. I’m easily bringing him back on a one year deal to see what he looks like with a new coordinator. Add more to the group for sure, but keep Savage I agree with keeping Savage. I don't agree with your optimism level on Savage, but you can't turn over the entire safety room in 1 offseason. Better Savage than Owens, even if it costs us Simone Biles. This is all just one more reason I'm pushing for Chris Hewitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 48 minutes ago, MacReady said: Savage isn’t getting big money and he has flashed a lot of potential these are mutually exclusive (especially if you think lowly of Joe Barry) either he's actually good and other teams can identify this and will get paid, because there's now 31 other teams who can easily do this or he's actually bad and other teams identify that and don't offer him NFL is a pretty efficient market when it comes to FA in that the winner's curse is more prevalent than finding great value. If it is the case that he could be better under another scheme, multiple teams will know this and be interested and drive up his cost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, incognito_man said: these are mutually exclusive (especially if you think lowly of Joe Barry) either he's actually good and other teams can identify this and will get paid, because there's now 31 other teams who can easily do this or he's actually bad and other teams identify that and don't offer him NFL is a pretty efficient market when it comes to FA in that the winner's curse is more prevalent than finding great value. If it is the case that he could be better under another scheme, multiple teams will know this and be interested and drive up his cost. Granted, but he’s still staying at the safety market value. Safety isn’t WR. You look at MVS and MVS cost exactly what we expected he would cost. Same with Lazard. Teams knew exactly what they were getting with MVS. An unreliable WR who is effective at keeping defenses honest. Same with Lazard. An effective blocker who isn’t quite a threat at WR. Both followed their positional market. There’s also the marketability aspect. Even if teams saw he had the value of Jamal Adams, they wouldn’t pay him Adams money because he’s not marketable and because he doesn’t have the hardware (pro bowls, stats, etc). If he’s valued highly based on his tape, that changes his value by maybe a million per, but likely under that because of the safety market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 59 minutes ago, vegas492 said: JJJ Janthony Johnson Jr.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Last year the #64 paid safety made 1.3M. #32 3.9M. Is Savage's market value in there somewhere? Edited January 25 by Brat&Beer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 7 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Kinchens allowed 28/34 passes completed against him, big time feast or famine guy in coverage. No way he goes top 24, might be able to get him at 41 depending on how the league views some of the other safeties. Nubin is by far the better player, but 2 years older. Is that a PFF score, 28/34? Wonder if they were counting man or zone coverage too. I think he had 5 picks in each of the last 2 years. We need playmakers back there. I like Nubian too but at times he looks slow… in college. Edited January 25 by MantyWrestler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, incognito_man said: these are mutually exclusive (especially if you think lowly of Joe Barry) either he's actually good and other teams can identify this and will get paid, because there's now 31 other teams who can easily do this or he's actually bad and other teams identify that and don't offer him NFL is a pretty efficient market when it comes to FA in that the winner's curse is more prevalent than finding great value. If it is the case that he could be better under another scheme, multiple teams will know this and be interested and drive up his cost. Rasul Douglas? DeVondre Campbell? Rudy Ford was cut off the 53 from one of the worst teams in the NFL. That's just us and not the rest of the league examples. Think you're giving NFL execs too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 19 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Rasul Douglas? DeVondre Campbell? Rudy Ford was cut off the 53 from one of the worst teams in the NFL. That's just us and not the rest of the league examples. Think you're giving NFL execs too much credit. This bolsters my point if anything. Remove GB from the picture and my story is even more convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, vegas492 said: Going off of PFF data.... I'd love to bring in a quality vet FA to the safety room. McKinney from the Giants was the #4 safety per PFF. And he had the highest coverage score of 91.2. Then I'd like to bring on in to compliment him...more of an attacker. I'll happily take the #16 ranked safety per PFF. That safety is Darnell Savage. Then I'd like to draft one somewhere and let that kid develop as S3. Keep Owens and JJJ as reserves, special teams guys. 5 safeties? Seems like a lot of roster spots when younger draft pick guys can probably do the same or better on special teams. Do agree they need a nice vet for stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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