CP3MVP Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 49 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: He shouldn't and wouldn't get massive credit for Rodgers doing well, no. That's a pretty absurd comparison. What’s “massive credit”? He brought him in. Are you still denying that he didn’t have anything to do with Wilson being picked and it was just forced on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicfre2011 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1. Brandon Staley 2. Josh McDaniels 3. Robert Saleh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 19 hours ago, jonnguy2015 said: Arthur Smith: They probably use this year to see what they have in Ridder, but if they're at least not competitive for the weak NFC South, his seat is definitely red hot in 2024, if he survives next offseason Arthur Blank is really patient with head coaches. Of his hires: 1) Jim Mora - was perfectly fine going into his 4th season until he declared his dream job was HC of the UW huskies 2) Bobby Petrino - Quit on the Falcons 13 games in 3) Mike Smith - got 7 years. 4) Dan Quinn - got 6 years. 5) Arthur Smith - First two years were the equivalent of ripping a band-aid off in the first year of your regular rebuild. This year, he needs to at least have a winning record. But if the Falcons win the NFC S and get to the playoffs, he'll be fine for at least another 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 20 hours ago, CP3MVP said: Jimmy is his boy ........ ❔ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 19 hours ago, notthatbluestuff said: Saleh picked Zach Wilson? News to me. If Rodgers sucks but the Jets' defense looks as good as it did last year, do they really fire Saleh? Where would be the logic in that? He's the HC, not the defensive coordinator. There's the logic. He's responsible for the entire team, not just the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 17 hours ago, CP3MVP said: What’s “massive credit”? He brought him in. Are you still denying that he didn’t have anything to do with Wilson being picked and it was just forced on him? I'm not saying Wilson was "forced" on him but you're here acting like Wilson was Saleh's guy lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: He's the HC, not the defensive coordinator. There's the logic. He's responsible for the entire team, not just the defense. So it's Saleh's fault if Rodgers is no good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: So it's Saleh's fault if Rodgers is no good? Yes? Unless he was vocally against the move. If he supported it and Rodgers sucks of course he is? What kinda world wouldn't he be responsible for a decision he made/supported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Yes? Unless he was vocally against the move. If he supported it and Rodgers sucks of course he is? What kinda world wouldn't he be responsible for a decision he made/supported? What I'm asking is whether Rodgers' play represents a failing of Saleh's coaching. I guess it was Lafleur's fault that Rodgers wasn't as good last season, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: What I'm asking is whether Rodgers' play represents a failing of Saleh's coaching. I guess it was Lafleur's fault that Rodgers wasn't as good last season, too? He's responsible for the ENTIRE team. So yes, if he hired an offensive staff that produces another failed offense it comes back to him. That's kinda the entire point here...being a good defensive mind doesn't mean you're a good HC. If the offense fails, he failed at that part of his job. *Edit - and to address your MLF question: absolutely. If he pounded the table for Aaron last off-season I really question him. But I have no clue. I'm beyond excited to see what he'll do with his offense now that Aaron isn't changing 33% of it at the line. I think it's going to look a LOT more efficient than it did last year. If it's a flop, he should be on the hot seat in 2024. Edited May 4, 2023 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 8 hours ago, scar988 said: Arthur Blank is really patient with head coaches. Of his hires: 1) Jim Mora - was perfectly fine going into his 4th season until he declared his dream job was HC of the UW huskies 2) Bobby Petrino - Quit on the Falcons 13 games in 3) Mike Smith - got 7 years. 4) Dan Quinn - got 6 years. 5) Arthur Smith - First two years were the equivalent of ripping a band-aid off in the first year of your regular rebuild. This year, he needs to at least have a winning record. But if the Falcons win the NFC S and get to the playoffs, he'll be fine for at least another 2 years. Yeah, I think he's only in danger if they aren't even contending for the division and next year doesn't look to be much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 I think Rivera is in a unique position — this year, at the very least, and maybe ever. He’s not just the coach, he’s also the head of the FO. That makes his position in the organization extremely tenuous with new ownership coming in. Any owner is going to want to put his stamp on the organization by installing his own guy at the top of the totem pole. Almost impossible to do that with Rivera still in the mix. Would they replace him as head of personnel while keeping him as the coach? I doubt it, and I kinda doubt he’d stay. I think he only has one chance to stick around, and that chance is named “Sam Howell.” If Howell somehow emerges as the next hotshot sophomore QB in the league, maybe they just can’t move on from Rivera. But by far the most likely outcome is that everyone thanks him for a job done — fumigating the organization of all the rot and infestation, and doing it with all the way — and someone with a little more upside comes in to try to take a solid start over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 11 hours ago, incognito_man said: Yes? Unless he was vocally against the move. If he supported it and Rodgers sucks of course he is? What kinda world wouldn't he be responsible for a decision he made/supported? Yeah sure responsible, but it doesn’t mean he’s gonna get fired for it. Wilson being a horrific bust isn’t completely on him. Unless that team just falls flat on their face this year with Rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 McCarthy and it's not really close IMO. The fact he was given or took over "Play call" duties in 2023 says it all. If the Cowboys don't make a deep Playoff Run, he's toast! Especially if Dan Quinn has another top 5'ish Defense! Fat Mike/Dak can't be the reason Dallas chokes yet again in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 Saleh had a future XFL MVP starting last year in Zach Wilson. He has a real QB now. He'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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