Jordan Love Appreciation Thread

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1 hour ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur just needs to pass one more test and get one more big huge gorilla off their backs to be better than Rodgers and McCarthy ....

 

Beat that nasty red and gold team from Santa Clara in the playoffs and end our losing streak to them.

That might take a while.   IMO those damn 9ers are the best team in the NFL right now.  😛

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12 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said:

Mac, AG20, Incog, Beekay and Stat King.

I'd watch.

i'd show up

but then i'd calmly leave with a terrified smile on my face 3min later

[Mazrimiv]

8 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Spoiler Alert: I ain't the one dying ha

Enter the room looking like your Avatar, and the battle is already won.

[Brat&Beer]

 

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2 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said:

Enter the room looking like your Avatar, and the battle is already won.

[Brat&Beer]

2 hours ago, packfanfb said:

I mean, I think it's hard to deny that his ball placement has been dramatically better over the last 4-5 weeks. He's making more easy throws look "easy". All good things to see. 

A few weeks ago someone said "Jordan Love makes a lot of great throws. He needs to make more good throws." He's making the good throws now. 

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1 minute ago, Brat&Beer said:

A few weeks ago someone said "Jordan Love makes a lot of great throws. He needs to make more good throws." He's making the good throws now. 

Dan Orlovsky

[GalenaPackFan]

Listened to 670 TheScore this morning. They were comparing Love and Fields, but not liking what they were coming up with. It made me smile. 

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56 minutes ago, HighCalebR said:

100% think Mac would be great on TV

[Arthur Penske]

Obv credit to Rodgers and Love so far.

but

Dear Tom Clements:

[MacReady]

I need my laptop to thoroughly respond.

Not my phone.

Also, everybody always wants to talk to me and spend time with me in spite of my best efforts to be left alone and not bothered, so put me in a room with anyone and they’d end up loving me.

So I’ll pass on that for the same reason I change my phone number every year.

 

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5 minutes ago, MacReady said:

Also, everybody always wants to talk to me and spend time with me in spite of my best efforts to be left alone and not bothered, so put me in a room with anyone and they’d end up loving me.

So I’ll pass on that for the same reason I change my phone number every year.

Because you don't pay your phone bill?

[MacReady]

2 hours ago, sgtcheezwiz said:

 

On 9/24/2023 at 3:02 PM, MacReady said:

The worse Love does this year the better the Packers will be in the long run.

If he's not the guy he's not the guy. And that's okay. The Packers are good enough to not take long to get to their next guy.

This is all true. I was speaking about contracts. If Love sucked but the Packers thought it was going to click, we could get him cheap. That's all I was saying here, so none of this is embarrassing.

The worst thing that could happen would be for Love to play exceedingly well and get paid when his play is a reflection of the talent around him rather than his own talent.

Anyone not literally stupid can see how promising Reed, Doubs, Watson and Musgrave are. There's talent on this team, so games like this are great bargaining chips for the Packers if they believe Love is the guy, but he just needs time to get there.

This is true, too. And this is what we're seeing right now. We have the talent. Which is funny because people blaming Doubs/Watson/Musgrave/Reed when they're all promising AF is just... Well, it was excuses.

Also...

I don't think he's the guy. I said it after week 1 and I'm still saying it. He just doesn't seem to have it. He's making a lot of great throws, but he's not making the easy throws. It's the easy throws an NFL quarterback has to make. There are three quarterbacks a year who flirt with their fans and convince them they're the guy based on those wow throws and great moments. Then when you look past the mustache and the awe inspiring plays, you see Gardner Minshew isn't THE GUY. He's a career backup.

If we give a career backup market setting QB money, we set ourselves back 5 years.

This is all true, too. Literally what I've been saying. It's acknowledging that Love made some incredible plays and had great moments, but those mean nothing if you can't do the normal stuff well. None of this is embarrassing.

 

 

On 9/24/2023 at 4:10 PM, MacReady said:

Gutsy performance, but I still think Love is in the Bridgewater/Fitzpatrick/Minshew great backup option territory.

Ceiling is Joe Flacco.

I don’t think he’s it. He can win a Super Bowl, but not at market value.

Not embarrassing at all. Joe Flacco had a career greater than every QB who never won a Super Bowl. Remember, everything I do and say regarding football is predicated on whether or not it will win a Super Bowl.

 

On 9/17/2023 at 8:11 PM, MacReady said:

I don’t think he does. It’s fun to watch him since he’s poised and plays the offense, but it’s a really good offense. Really good scheme.

If he gets the next monster QB contract, it’ll be the end of the LaFleurr/Gute era because I don’t think he’s going to be that next level QB.

His completion percentage and YPA are both scary low. In both games.

He only looks good right now because our offense has looked pretty good.

Definitely capable of winning a Super Bowl depending on how much he’s paid, but…

 This is all compliments of Love, proof that I was fair the whole time.

On 9/28/2023 at 9:24 PM, MacReady said:

Trade LaFleur for the Bears first round pick.

Trade Love for another first round pick.

I would still do this. First overall pick, plus our pick, plus our current roster with Harbaugh as our next head coach? I'm sold.

On 10/9/2023 at 11:49 PM, MacReady said:

It was borderline me being me the first two weeks, but last week and into this week it became clear Love is not the answer.

Quarterbacks with great futures don’t throw for under 200 yards with three picks and 0 touchdowns against really bad defenses.

David Carr (not Derek) didn’t have a three interception game as a rookie. Behind perhaps the worst supporting cast in NFL history.

Raiders game was his worst game. It was a REALLY bad game. Go back and watch his interceptions in that game. Literally anybody watch them and tell me that wasn't a bad game. And the Raiders were really bad at the time. And Love completed below 56% of his passes. It was a terrible game. From LOVE. Independent of the rest of the team, Love played like ****.

 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:38 PM, MacReady said:

I said it after week one and I’ve said it every week since.

Love doesn’t look all that great.

And he didn't at the time. Still right after the Raiders game. He looked like ****.

 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:21 PM, MacReady said:

I don’t know why I was the only one.

If Love was a rookie, you absolutely expect this type of performance over the first five games.

Dude’s had how many NFL training camps, practices, years of watching a top 10 all-time QB prepare and this is what he does?

Each and every week it becomes more clear he’s not the answer.

He’s a high end backup/journeyman QB.

Great option on a complete team, will NEVER win anything on a starting QB contract.

This is still a great point that hasn't been acknowledged by anyone saying I was being too hard on him. I acknowledged that everything he was doing was forgivable. As a rookie. Dude had plenty of time in the offense to learn everything and not have those kinds of early mistakes. It was, and is, a great point. He should have been ready. That's on Love.

 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:14 PM, Howler said:

Love is a stopgap option until they draft his replacement.

This is technically still true, just a longer period.

On 10/9/2023 at 11:18 PM, MacReady said:

Correct. 

I'm sure it was correct.

On 10/9/2023 at 10:55 PM, MacReady said:

Jordan Love is not our future.

After the Raiders game... I was wrong, but wrong based on strong evidence.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 9:50 PM, MacReady said:

This is all going according to my plan FYI.

Get rid of Rodgers.

Let Love suck enough to not get a normal QB deal while developing our receivers.

Take high second round pick at QB while Love is in contract year.

Get a look at a second round QB on the roster with a new coaching staff and one year for Love to show if he has what it takes.

If the 2nd rounder is good and Love sucks, let Love get us a comp pick.

If the 2nd rounder is good and Love is great, trade Love for another first.

If both suck, take a QB in the first.

If Love is great and the second rounder sucks, trade Love for a high first round pick and get a QB for four virtually free years.

This is still a good plan. I still 100% believe in drafting a QB in the second round. It protects us against injury and against a sophomore slump, which happens all too often with quarterbacks. The NFL is full of examples of this. Everyone thought Carson Wentz was a franchise QB.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 7:25 PM, MacReady said:

I told you. It was that second game where it was just clear he’s not it.

I know I’m arrogant on here and not always serious, but I’m serious on this. I usually have an uncanny, not based on knowledge knack for knowing whether or not a QB is it. Almost never wrong there. Not based on skill or knowledge or anything but a hunch.

Love is a backup. A high tier backup.

He would be a really high tier backup, but it seems Love lately looks to have a future as a franchise QB.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 6:29 PM, MacReady said:

Jordan Love and AJ Dillon.

Almost any other decisions and Brady would have one less ring and Rodgers would have one more.

And now we have nothing good to show for those two consecutive blunders.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. I would trade a Super Bowl in 2020 or whatever that year was over a franchise QB. If my team is on the verge of a Super Bowl win, I draft immediate impact every time.

On 10/22/2023 at 5:20 PM, MacReady said:

I agree completely and I want to move on from Love. The great ones that struggle show flashes. Allen, Lawrence... Hell, Justin Fields flashed more than Love.

I'm just saying I'd be willing to give Love one more year.

At this point, Love had had zero games over 60% and over 7 YPA. Allen had 2 in his rookie year. Lawrence had 5 as a rookie. Fields had 3 as a rookie.

Now? Love has three straight.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 5:14 PM, MacReady said:

Lol. Nope. I change my mind. We should trade Love to whichever team hires LaFleur.

Imagine the haul we'd get now though.

 

On 10/22/2023 at 5:13 PM, MacReady said:

LaFleur, Gute, Barry, Love all need to go.

I'm willing to give Love another year (a contract year, no extension beforehand), but with a new head coach.

None of this is even a hint of inspiring.

So right here I'm still maintaining the completion % and YPA as my main metric. Lots of quarterbacks under the 60% and 6 YPA threshold had historically bad head coaches or defensive head coaches. Love just had under 5.8 YPA against the Broncos (when the Broncos were bad because context matters). Love had thrown a game ending interception. I still believe Barry has to go. LaFleur I'm not sold on, need to see him in the postseason with a QB who hasn't already decided they lost. I'm not a fan of the personality metric of Gute's.

 

On 10/31/2023 at 11:51 AM, MacReady said:

I’ve acknowledged we need to give Love one more year. I know that, I never said otherwise. What I’m saying is he’s shown enough bad to NOT extend him. That would be a tremendous mistake. He needs to play on a dead contract year before we extend him.

October 31st. He'd just thrown 58.5% and 5.6 YPA against the Vikings with a bad interception. He was at 57%, 6.3 YPA and 8 interceptions (to 11 touchdowns) at that point. That's a lot of bad. Don't see what's wrong with this statement at that point.

His issues are NOT normal. Terrible long ball accuracy. THAT is something training camps and preseasons should be able to fix. Four of them haven’t fixed it. His first half performances are God-awful. He’s probably at closer to 50% and 5 YPA than his current 57% and 6.4 YPA overall. 

Everybody here can acknowledge he had a terrible long ball at that point. He was also terrible in the first half of games. Especially his first half performances. And this is legit true. What was he doing for four training camps if not working on his long ball accuracy? This is a legitimate point. He was bad deep early.

On 10/29/2023 at 4:10 PM, MacReady said:

5.58 yards per attempt and I don’t even know how many straight games with an interception.

This isn’t even a question anymore.

Love sucks.

He did suck. Those are terrible numbers. He sucked. 5.58 yards per attempt. For comparison, Gardner Minshew never had a season under 6.9 YPA. Jared Goff as a rookie with Jeff Fisher was at 5.3 YPA. Ryan Leaf 30 years ago in a different era of football was at 5.3 YPA in his rookie year. Love absolutely sucked overall at this point.

I told all of you, but nooooooooooo.

I hate being right when being right means we suck. Jordan Love is a career backup.

He will have one great season for some team and then get an absurd deal and he will look like this after his absurd deal.

If his absurd deal is with us, say goodbye to a Super Bowl for half a decade.

We need to trade him or use him to start while our real QB sits on the bench a full year.

It's still true Love will not win a Super Bowl with an absurd deal. He's not a career backup. That was a stupid thing for me to say.

 

On 11/5/2023 at 4:32 PM, MacReady said:

Lol. All this win did was move us out of the top five and cement us in the 6-10 range.

If Stafford played, this would have been closer to 27-13 and a loss.

Steelers are going to beat us, and our defense will not look this good against Herbert. Then we get the Lions in Detroit and we’ve been so good against them.

Then the Chiefs.

The Giants game we might win if Jordan Love isn’t playing. I mean Daniel Jones. Same difference.

 This is where I should have snapped out of it. This one is all wrong. I was an idiot here. Love had just completed 77% of his passes for 8.77 YPA. I was probably mad we got a lucky win against a team we absolutely would not have beaten at that point had Stafford played. I was likely still in top 5 pick mode and just angry, but this one here is the most embarrassing so far. This was the first GOOD game Love had. This was the turning point, and I should have acknowledged that he looked good.

 

 

On 11/5/2023 at 2:50 PM, MacReady said:

So Love once again has a first half under 5.6 YPA.

Theres a lot you can argue against with what I say, but what nobody can really argue with is Love and LaFleur cannot have another year together.

We’re not all-time bad at WR/Skill/OL/RB.

That’s all-time bad at the QB position for first half performance.

Oh, okay. I feel better about the above one now. That's still a really bad YPA. Also, I was right about the WR/TE/OL/RB positions. Love REALLY struggled in the first half of games up until the Pittsburgh game. When we scored a TD on the first drive against the Steelers, I was legitimately shocked. That, I think, was when I started changing my mind. I thought for sure the Steelers defense would break Love completely. That game was the turning point to the entire season. Even though it was a loss, I feel it really gave the entire offense confidence.

And maybe it was confidence Love was lacking. But for everyone to sit here saying Love didn't look really bad doesn't have any context.

The first week of the season I really didn't like his completion percentage. He flat missed open receivers. It was like 55%.

And that spiraled. His completion percentage stayed bad, but his YPA plummeted. From week 2 through week 7, Jordan Love was at 57.97% and 6.02 YPA.

The Daniel Jones comment? As a rookie, Daniel Jones completed 61.9% of his passes for 6.6 YPA.

 

 

 

 

 

[MacReady]

1 hour ago, thrILL! said:

This is true. I'm not butt ugly, but I would refuse to wear makeup and camera always reflect off my bald head.

I wouldn't be good for television. I struggled with this in film classes in both high school and college when I had to be in front of the camera.

Sorry, everyone.

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2 hours ago, beekay414 said:

Spoiler Alert: I ain't the one dying ha

I feel like you would fight dirty.....