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23 hours ago, Mastercheddaar said:

Here it is guys. The event of 2018 everyone has been looking forward to…  

MOCK OF AGES! Take 1: Pre-Free Agency 

I’m going to make a few broad FA predictions: 

We address QB with a vet. Dorsey uses his KC connections and trades for Alex Smith. We send Philly’s 2nd rounder and our 5th for him.  

Browns Sign Cody Lattimer from Denver. Denver has Thomas and Sanders still Lattimer is coming off his rookie contract and when given the opportunity has shown a lot of flash. He also can return kicks too! Signed as an insurance policy incase Gordon goes to pot (pun intended) and if Mr. Can’t catch a cold breaks his hand again.  

Malcolm Butler from New England. Butler is a solid CB and rumor has it that New England will let him walk.  

Crown Jewel – Jarvis Landry. We bring in a big money contract and make Jarvis our #1 WR.  

Players worth mentioning we let leave – Crowell.

 

Now onto the draft! (No trades. They are hard to predict... Besides Alex Smith)

1st (Browns) – Sam Darnold USC QB! (I know he hasn’t declared yet but if he does, he has to be our guy.) Darnold might not be ready to start day 1 but he is the best sit and let learn QB in the draft. With Alex Smith leading the helm for at least a year, Sam Darnold can do exactly what Rodgers was allowed to do and learn the pros for a whole season. Darnold has the size, strength, accuracy, touch on the ball, pocket presence, Big Ben make something out of nothing factor, scambling that you want from a QB along with the leadership and character you want in your locker room. This guy is a can’t miss if we take our time.  

1st (Houstons) – S. Barkley PSU RB! With the 4th overall pick and QB going at #2, we are sure to have our pick of either Barkley or Fitzpatrick. Indy needs OLine and DB help. I could see them taking Nelson or Fitzpatrick. That is why I’m saying we pick Barkley. Barkley is the complete package at running back. He can pick up the pass rush and block. He can be a hard nose north and south guy. He can go out for the screens. He can even return kicks if needed. Barkley is a complete player and we cannot miss the opportunity to add that to our offense.  

2nd Round (Browns) –Kolton Miller UCLA RT – A lot of people have Brown, McGlinchey, Williams, or Okorafor ahead of him BUT they are LTs. Kolton started off at Left but since they switched him over to right he has been excellent. I think he would be a good fit on our line. AND because other teams pick from the list mentioned, he falls to us in the 2nd.  

2nd (Houstons) – James Washington OkSt WR – Why pick a wideout when I have us signing two of them in FA? Well because I truly believe the combination of Kizer and the practice squad all-stars is the reason we went 0-16. Can’t catch Coleman has yet to play 16 full games a season and Gordon is a beer away from being gone for another 3 season. Plus if everything works out, I would love for the only serious discussion regarding our WR core to be “Do we cut Higgins or Louis?” come summer of 2018. (Alternate pick would be Isiah Oliver Colorado CB.)  

2nd (Philly) traded for Alex Smith 

3rd Round (Browns) – Troy Fumagalli Wis TE – For the last few seasons of Big Ten ball, I have always heard his name called followed by FIRST DOWN! We have not had a sure handed white guy on the team since Brian Brennan.  

4th Round (Browns) – Brian Allen Mich St C – We need an insurance policy in case our interior oline gets hurt. Having a future Center that can play all positions in development is a good idea. Why Allen? I dunno saw his name on a bunch of mocks going around the 4th.  

4th (Carolina) – Tarvarus McFadden Florida St CB – Tall for a CB and again I saw him around the 4th on a few mocks. Could be wrong but I think we should pick DB here.  

5th Round (Browns) Traded for Alex Smith 

5th (KC) – Josey Jewell Iowa ILB – Just a depth pick here. Be happy I put down a name.  

6th Round (Browns) – BPA (Ah the lazy man’s mock pick of choice for the late rounds!) I’m targetting any fallen top 10 talent left on my draft boards here. I would also look for injured players who were can’t miss before their injury types as well.  

7th Round (Browns) – Again BPA. These are too hard to predict right now.  

There you have! I went offense heavy because our offense was offensive.  

That is all

Mastercheddaar

Thoughts:

FA - Boy that is ugly.

Jarvis Landry is a not quite as good version of Duke Johnson if we played him in the slot permanently. His #s come from shear volume of targets and by the fact that most of them are screens, quick slants, or dump offs. He's a 3rd down back in a WR body, and he's not remotely worth #1 WR type money.

Latimer I like. Butler is fine.

The Alex Smith trade is dookie. That's waaaaay too much for the guy, even if he was available, which it doesn't seem like he is.

Draft -

I'm fine with Darnold and Barkley, they aren't my preference at either spot, but I like both.

There isn't enough of a difference in roles between RTs and LTs in modern football to take an inferior prospect just because he's more used to RT over LT. Although we did hire "football guys" which usually means "guys who want to run the team like it's 1985" so you never know. 

I don't see TE as a major need position at all. Especially with a coach who doesn't like putting the talented TEs he already has on the field very often. And we don't do race jokes.

Other than that I think everything makes sense.

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1 hour ago, ohiogenius said:

I see my theory of Mind and TRD being multiple personalities is catching on

All I could think when I read that was

Theory of Mind: Theory of mind (often abbreviated ToM) is the ability to attribute mental states— beliefs, intents, desires, pretending, knowledge, etc.—to oneself, and to others, and to understand that others have beliefs, desires, intentions, and perspectives that are different from one's own

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I think this is a great thread breaking down the "Baker never throws into tight windows! Everyone is five yards open on every play!" narrative. I'm not sure between Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield who I would take #1 gun to my head. But I FIRMLY believe that all three should be in the conversation. I do not feel that way about Allen or Lamar, they're next tier or lower.

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6 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said:

I think this is a great thread breaking down the "Baker never throws into tight windows! Everyone is five yards open on every play!" narrative. I'm not sure between Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield who I would take #1 gun to my head. But I FIRMLY believe that all three should be in the conversation. I do not feel that way about Allen or Lamar, they're next tier or lower.

I don't mean to sound argumentative but I just watched every one of those plays and I still didn't see tight window throws or anticipatory throws. I saw huge clean pockets and no pressure at all except for a couple of plays where he did a good job of avoiding a free blitzer and finding the open guy.

He's accurate when he has time and the guy is nice and open, I concede that.

But the Georgia game alone, watching that, whenever he got something more closely resembling pressure or a tight throw to make, he wasn't so hot.

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A lot of those tight window throws are just high throws.  I don't think I saw anything squeezed between two DBs.  I'm just surprised he was able to find 7 throws he wanted to highlight.  I'm sure we could review 7 throws from just the Cotton Bowl from Darnold that were better.

All I saw were posts flags and slants. 

I want to see comebacks, outs, selling a double move, releasing the ball with anticipation prior to the receiver making a break, etc.

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16 minutes ago, Aztec Hammer said:

I don't mean to sound argumentative but I just watched every one of those plays and I still didn't see tight window throws or anticipatory throws. I saw huge clean pockets and no pressure at all except for a couple of plays where he did a good job of avoiding a free blitzer and finding the open guy.

He's accurate when he has time and the guy is nice and open, I concede that.

But the Georgia game alone, watching that, whenever he got something more closely resembling pressure or a tight throw to make, he wasn't so hot.

I mean, man, I don't know what to say. Both the TE middle throw and the one versus OSU miss the defenders hands by a few inches and go to his guy's outstretched hands. I don't know how you get tighter windows.

As for Georgia, he was super sick the days leading up to the game, and I think it became clear in OT that he was out of energy and riding fumes. There's no way you don't attempt a pass in two OT's, with the heisman winner at QB, unless something is wrong. That's just an opinion, but it seems the most likely scenario.

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36 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said:

I think one thing that is overlooked is Mayfield is smart in the pocket.

He has the ability to fake one way and throw the other.

He has the ability to look off safeties.

I have been Rosen or Darnold for months now but the more I read about baker, the more I watch baker, the more I like him.

I worry if Darnold goes back to school, if we want Rosen, he is going to do nothing but question Hueball's stupid decision making...

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12 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said:

I mean, man, I don't know what to say. Both the TE middle throw and the one versus OSU miss the defenders hands by a few inches and go to his guy's outstretched hands. I don't know how you get tighter windows.

As for Georgia, he was super sick the days leading up to the game, and I think it became clear in OT that he was out of energy and riding fumes. There's no way you don't attempt a pass in two OT's, with the heisman winner at QB, unless something is wrong. That's just an opinion, but it seems the most likely scenario.

I think he was playing thru an injury also. Did you see that guy spear him in the back with his knee?  Late btw

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