LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, lancerman said: The Gruden fantasy is going to end badly. Dude hasn't coached in almost 10 years. I don’t disagree, dude’s been out the game for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, lancerman said: The Gruden fantasy is going to end badly. Dude hasn't coached in almost 10 years. He's a great mind and will probably build the best coaching staff in the league around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, KingOfTheDot said: He's a great mind and will probably build the best coaching staff in the league around him. Okay then how about the hire Don Shula. He's a million times the coach Gruden ever was and only had 2 losing seasons in a 33 year career, has won and been to more Super Bowls than Gruden. Oh and he never got fired from anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 what a joke lol He gets fired and a coach like Hue Jackson, gets to keep his job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, lancerman said: Okay then how about the hire Don Shula. He's a million times the coach Gruden ever was and only had 2 losing seasons in a 33 year career, has won and been to more Super Bowls than Gruden. Oh and he never got fired from anywhere. lol come on man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, KingOfTheDot said: lol come on man What he doesn't hang out at ESPN doing enough mediocre commentary for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, lancerman said: Okay then how about the hire Don Shula. He's a million times the coach Gruden ever was and only had 2 losing seasons in a 33 year career, has won and been to more Super Bowls than Gruden. Oh and he never got fired from anywhere. So much salt. Did Gruden kill your child or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: So much salt. Did Gruden kill your child or something? Can you like not bring up bad memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderX Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 53 minutes ago, JLambert58 said: The biggest reason it makes sense is how Gruden could develop Carr. He turned journeyman QB Rich Gannon into a pro bowler. He also thought the Raiders should have taken Manziel over Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Just now, RaiderX said: He also thought the Raiders should have taken Manziel over Mack. Well, nobody's perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said: He's a great mind and will probably build the best coaching staff in the league around him. But, if old Gruden habits still stand/stick, those (staff/mind) aren't going to do much to combat the former. Gruden's always been good at identifying the up-and-coming guys and mentoring them - I'm not as convinced he's going to go hog wild filching his former assistants currently in prominent positions on other staffs. One or two, maybe, but that really has never been his shtick. And again, if he insists on having play-calling duties and remains as stubborn as he was to adapt his scheme to the modern game - and as the modern game makes adaptation to combat his scheme - he's going to end up in the same pitfalls. And if he's given any kind of personnel stroke (and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of issue in the past between him and Reggie McKenzie?), his odds of success decrease. Jon's got a knack for developing talent, but he overrates his own scouting/talent-identification abilities, because he tends to fall in love with certain tangential attributes entirely too easily and allows that to affect his view of the player (which tends to be on display in his color commentary, as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Gruden has been out of the game for a decade now, as has been mentioned. He doesn't have a scheme. And doing interviews with coaches and players once a week doesn't mean he can adapt to how the game has changed. He's always just been an arrogant loud mouth better at playing politics rather than coaching. He's a QB guru living off of Rich Gannon's success. Rich Gannon was a guy the Raiders signed based on his previous stints and what he had shown. He wasn't developed or turned into anything by Gruden. Every attempt Gruden had at developing a QB failed. He's a middling coach who has been built into far more than he is because of his falling out with Davis and winning a Super Bowl on a mediocre Bucs team built around defense. Brad Johnson had, like Gannon, already shown himself capable if not anything special before Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Guys every coach/executive has flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, The LBC said: But, if old Gruden habits still stand/stick, those (staff/mind) aren't going to do much to combat the former. Gruden's always been good at identifying the up-and-coming guys and mentoring them - I'm not as convinced he's going to go hog wild filching his former assistants currently in prominent positions on other staffs. One or two, maybe, but that really has never been his shtick. And again, if he insists on having play-calling duties and remains as stubborn as he was to adapt his scheme to the modern game - and as the modern game makes adaptation to combat his scheme - he's going to end up in the same pitfalls. And if he's given any kind of personnel stroke (and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of issue in the past between him and Reggie McKenzie?), his odds of success decrease. Jon's got a knack for developing talent, but he overrates his own scouting/talent-identification abilities, because he tends to fall in love with certain tangential attributes entirely too easily and allows that to affect his view of the player (which tends to be on display in his color commentary, as well). This would be my concern if I was the fan of a team that hired Gruden. Someone posted earlier in the thread that Oakland has the right talent to fit Gruden's scheme. But if you bring Gruden in, he better not be running the scheme he ran the last time he coached. You don't want to run the scheme that was great with the 01 Raiders. Doesn't matter how successful it was back then, you just don't. You hire that kind of guy under the hope that he can apply his mind to what is working now and will work going forward, not under the hope that he'll try to bring back what worked back then. And you run the risk that he's either too stubborn to move forward or he's just not that good when it comes to what works in the current landscape. And I know Gruden coached more recently than that. I think 08 was his last year or somewhere in there. But 01 was the last time he had a great offense. Still may not seem that long ago, but early 2000 offenses were primarily trying to counter the Tampa 2 that was making a wave through Tampa, Chicago, Minnesota, etc. A completely different league schematically. Maybe he adjusts, maybe he can't. Neither is a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Oregon Ducks said: lmao add another team that thinks they're getting Gruden. I haven't paid attention to football at all this year but why would Gruden all of a sudden be a hot commodity? Hasn't he been available for a decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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