Leader Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 David Byrne - I feel like Bojos release was more due to his holding on FGs more or less than his punting abilities. I feel like that’s not talked about enough in his release. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Packers signed an Irishman on St. Patrick's Day ? You mean: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: What the hell are you talking about? Corey Bojorquez was the holder for the entire season. Hunter Bradley was the Long Snapper for 8 games. Steven Wirtel was the Long Snapper for 9 games, plus 1 playoff game. Yeah JK Scott, change #1. Hunter Bradley, change #2. That's the hell I'm talking about, not too hard to comprehend there, come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Obviously Bojo => O'Donnell isn't about money. "O'Donnell ranked 23rd in @PFF punting grade, 31st (out of 35) in net punting average and 32nd in average hangtime last season." Dumb Q's: How do you end up 23rd in grade, while being near last in both average and hangtime? His return-yards allowed were much higher than Bojo's. 375 to 268. So it's not like high being unable to outkick-the-coverage resulted in less return yards. Is net-yardage overused to some degree? That's a primary stat used for punters... but there are ten other guys on the team involved in the net. Wouldn't any punter's net have suffered given the play of the other Packers involved in special teams? Dumb comments: If the Packers offense improves, and somehow both the passing game and the running game are above average, maybe we'll score on more drives and punt less often? :):) Maybe the job should be retitled? "Field-goal-holder" as the title, with punting as a secondary skill? (Kinda like for non-Adams receivers, they should perhaps be retitled as "wide-blockers" rather than "wide-receivers"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Yeah JK Scott, change #1. Hunter Bradley, change #2. That's the hell I'm talking about, not too hard to comprehend there, come on. JK Scott never held for Crosby this regular season, and Crosby didn't miss a kick until Week 5. There is no excuse to be made for the JK Scott change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Some people still think Crosby is is above average in 2022? Nothing justifies that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Some people still think Crosby is is above average in 2022? Nothing justifies that. I would claim Crosby is a league average kicker, which when factoring in GB conditions makes him above average. He does not suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I won't stand for all of you bastards talking **** about Crosby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, Leader said: David Byrne - I feel like Bojos release was more due to his holding on FGs more or less than his punting abilities. I feel like that’s not talked about enough in his release. Isn't that what everyone is saying? I haven't been on Twitter but that was all I thought it was and figured most of us thought that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Norm said: Isn't that what everyone is saying? I haven't been on Twitter but that was all I thought it was and figured most of us thought that way. IMO the kicking game has a handful of problems last year and nobody's performance came away unscathed. Hopefully - like beating the dirt out of an old rug - hopefully GBs set things up for all around improvement this year. This new punter? Dont know anything about him other than he was decent kicking in CHI conditions - which is about as close to GB conditions as you could find....outside of BUF (perhaps) Edited March 17, 2022 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: He does not suck. Agreed. But he has gone through moments of suckitude, like most kickers. If we rewind the tape to the fateful Cincinnati game - we'll see that the Bengals kicker missed on (2) opportunities to win the game in the 4th quarter. The young, strong-legged McPherson failed both times, while Crosby finally came through. Then McPherson went on epic run through the playoffs without missing...so does he suck or is he clutch ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Peter Bukowski - Randall Cobb didn't have huge total production numbers last season, but 21 of his 28 receptions converted first downs. His 75% conversion rate was matched by only 6 other WRs with at least as many catches. Only 1 WR had a higher TD rate per target. High-leverage player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: @packfanfb Crosby 49 non touchback, non squib kickoffs. 20 of them ended up past the 25 yard line. This equated to 223 yards. 24 of them ended up before the 25 yard line. This equated to 152 yards. 5 of them ended up on the 25 yard line. 20/49 = 41% of Crosby's non touchback kickoffs ended up past the 25 yard line. 158 - 223 = 65 yards 65 yards/17 games = 3.8 yards per game. ....... vs. Bears Not Touchback (41 yard line) Not Touchback (40 yard line) Not Touchback (42 yard line) Not Touchback (8 yard line) Not Touchback (13 yard line) Not Touchback (21 yard line) vs. Ravens Not Touchback (23 yard line) Not Touchback (27 yard line) Not Touchback (37 yard line) Vs. Browns Not Touchback (30 yard line) Not Touchback (15 yard line) Vs. Vikings Not Touchback (34 yard line) Not Touchback (37 yard line) Not Touchback (19 yard line) Vs. Lions Alex, I kinda selectively pulled the late-season games. Seemed like the "red" not-touchback kicks exceeded the green, and sometimes by more significant amounts. Perhaps after Halloween, the coaches should have just kicked for touchbacks? Alex and RT or anybody, can you expand on the risk-reward analysis? Your premise is that ST coach is instructing the kicker to "not-touchback". The statistics show that doing "not-touchback" costs you about 4 yards per game, 65 total. And perhaps the cost is a little worse in late-season cold. So, Q's: If it costs you ~4 ypg, why instruct for that? Where's the advantage? If it does no good and low-cost hard, don't you still need to expend practice time working on covering those? Isn't that a waste of time if you could just touchback-it at will? Where's the advantage? A factor is that there are a couple of long returns, which skew the average. Part of me thinks many coaches would prefer to avoid the big play, so would rather play it conservative. But, that apparently wasn't the instruction? Is the perception that minus a couple of big plays, that there *IS* some advantage? Do league-wide stats suggest that there is advantage, and the Packers are exceptional in being disadvantaged when they do non-touchback kicks? In my mind, +/- 7 yards isn't a big deal. Is it a significant value to get an occasional not-touchback that results in the opponent starting inside the 20? Enough reward so that you're willing to allow for a couple of start-at-the-32 in order to get a chance for one start-at-the-18? Alex, your logic on the capacity to kick it into the end zone based on field-goal capacity is very convincing. Does that carry over into cold-weather kicking? I don't remember how many 50-yard field goals Crosby got in the cold versus warm, or with the wind versus against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Agreed. But he has gone through moments of suckitude, like most kickers. If we rewind the tape to the fateful Cincinnati game - we'll see that the Bengals kicker missed on (2) opportunities to win the game in the 4th quarter. The young, strong-legged McPherson failed both times, while Crosby finally came through. Then McPherson went on epic run through the playoffs without missing...so does he suck or is he clutch ? A key difference is how the rest of the season went for both: McPherson only missed 2 FGs and 2 XPs the rest of the season. Crosby missed 5 FGs and had one blocked (on about 11 fewer attempts) and missed 1 XP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Agreed. But he has gone through moments of suckitude, like most kickers. If we rewind the tape to the fateful Cincinnati game - we'll see that the Bengals kicker missed on (2) opportunities to win the game in the 4th quarter. The young, strong-legged McPherson failed both times, while Crosby finally came through. Then McPherson went on epic run through the playoffs without missing...so does he suck or is he clutch ? McPherson made the most 50+ yd FGs(9/11) last year and was 11% better overall than Crosby. I know where I'd rank those two relative to one another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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