vegas492 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Norm said: We keep falling into this trap. Bahk is maybe the exception where it was like, not the trade part, but he's never going to come back close to the same I don't think and many feared that. JA could easily come back and be a stud again. But a little 'adversity' and it's, give up, ship em out, next man up. Hey maybe we should see what we have in Sean Clifford! I'm exaggerating a bit but JA is the exact kind of trade we'd WANT to be on the receiving end of if he wasn't here..I guess it's just pent up frustration though...I think. I'm the one, lone idiot who said if Love/MLF couldn't crack 60-70 net passing yards in a half, then we should turn to Clifford to see if the fault lies on MLF or Love. But I get what you are saying. One should not move on from a still young elite cornerback who is under contract. Edited December 5, 2023 by vegas492 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 45 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Honestly not sure who we'd rather face. Taylor sucks. Whoa slander. When the docs aren't trying to kill him Tyrods the man. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, craig said: That would also save you another $8 the following year, too, though? I feel like we're finally coming out of a stretch of severe cap pressure, and it will be nice to be more free. But with Love and lots of young players stepping along, we're probably going to be right back into cap pressure before we know it, and be unable to keep all of our young talent. $3M saved in 24 and $8M saved in 25 might be some welcome millions come 26 and 27? Yes, we'd save $8M in 2025 and $8M in 2026. So it's certainly a consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 40 minutes ago, Norm said: We keep falling into this trap. 16 minutes ago, Mdpackfan22 said: If someone offers us a Jalen Ramsey trade package, we'd be foolish not to take it. This is my favorite mental trap of all. The idea that some team is going to offer us a Jalen Ramsey package for a stud player who's injured too much for our liking. He'd be a $27M dead cap hit for us, how many first round picks is that worth? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Honestly not sure who we'd rather face. Taylor sucks. Where does this nonsensical tyrod animosity come from? He does not suck. He has a career td:int ratio of 62:26. Even this year his passer rating was over 90. He just keeps getting hurt behind garbage olines and a fluke injection issue. Edited December 5, 2023 by HokieHigh 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdpackfan22 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, pgwingman said: This is my favorite mental trap of all. The idea that some team is going to offer us a Jalen Ramsey package for a stud player who's injured too much for our liking. He'd be a $27M dead cap hit for us, how many first round picks is that worth? Goes to my point of the FO timeline. If they're looking at 2025 as the first serious year at contending, getting Jaire's contract off the books with a FRP and some change would be an attractive option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mdpackfan22 said: Goes to my point of the FO timeline. If they're looking at 2025 as the first serious year at contending, getting Jaire's contract off the books with a FRP and some change would be an attractive option Someone notify gute we are contending this year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, wgbeethree said: Barry gets a lot of hate for a lot of stuff. My biggest issue with him is probably (total conjecture on my part) that we used a first round pick and spent $50million on ILBs in the same off season because of his style. Yuck. I'm 100% of the opinion that if you get a JAG and he balls out for a year you let them walk and take the comp pick. As much as I disliked the Rodgers extension resigning Campbell and Douglass were probably worse IMO. I can get behind Campbell. We signed him after a career year and he has reverted to form. But to be fair to Gute, much like not trading the two time defending MVP, you can look real dumb real quick by letting an all-pro just walk. I think Douglas was actually a good move. Not only did we get a surprise 3rd in return, but we got 24 games and 19 starts in 2022 and 23. He also filled in for both Stokes and Jaire while they were hurt, and played mostly good football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Mdpackfan22 said: Goes to my point of the FO timeline. If they're looking at 2025 as the first serious year at contending, getting Jaire's contract off the books with a FRP and some change would be an attractive option After watching Sunday's game, you have to assume we are contending now. This team is capable of beating any team in the NFL. All that aside, this team could probably not process a $27M dead cap hit. Like, it might not be fiscally possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, packfanfb said: Every OL is going to lose some reps now and then. The almost funny point being made about Myers is he's been more of an "all or nothing" guy meaning he's actually a very solid C, especially as a pass blocker, but when he does lose, which isn't much, he reallllly loses, hence the "whiff" reference that's been thrown at him so many times. I get it it's just not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, Mdpackfan22 said: If someone offers us a Jalen Ramsey trade package, we'd be foolish not to take it. Jaire has been injury prone for 2 out of the last 3 years. He's undersized and the older he gets, the injuries have a good chance of piling on. A lot depends on the front office timeline. If they expect 2025 to be the first year we're serious contenders, eating the dead cap from Bakh and Jaire in 2024. Go into 2025 offseason with a ton of cap space and draft capital. But they aren't going to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 25 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: Where does this nonsensical tyrod animosity come from? He does not suck. He has a career td:int ratio of 62:26. Even this year his passer rating was over 90. He just keeps getting hurt behind garbage olines and a fluke injection issue. RuNInG QBbbbbeeeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I think Douglas was actually a good move. Not only did we get a surprise 3rd in return, but we got 24 games and 19 starts in 2022 and 23. He also filled in for both Stokes and Jaire while they were hurt, and played mostly good football. I guess it turned out fine. We only ended up paying him ~$7 million of the ~$20 million and we got a pick out of it. I'm just not a fan of the play or the player in general but he wasn't a complete disaster or anything. Got some picks, didn't give up a ton of yards, but gave up a ton of TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Taylor's QBR puts him in Desmond Ridder/Kenny Pickett territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LacyIsGood Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Campbell’s deal isn’t bad at all. It was like 14m guaranteed over 5 years. Very easy to cut if he underperforms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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