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[vegas492]

1 hour ago, Scoremore said:

Wouldn't flip a first for Adams regardless of the cap ramifications.  Which undoubtedly are prohibitive.  He'll be 31 next year.  Great player no doubt but he'll be hitting the wall within the next year or two.  They all do.  32 seems about the limit for a productive WR in the NFL. 

'Vante is aging like fine wine.

Not milk.

 

[Brat&Beer]

If they trade for Tae, cap hit is only 6 million in 2023. 16 million in 2024. 35 million in 2025 and 2026. It was always a 3 year contract. https://overthecap.com/player/davante-adams/2992

[MacReady]

Would give the Raiders a third round pick to take Adams back.

[Sandy]

On 12/29/2022 at 8:29 AM, vegas492 said:

I thought about that possibility.  We flip a first to Vegas to bring 'Vante back.

Anyone know the cap ramifications of doing this?  Guessing with that deal, we'd need to let a few guys go in order to fit him under the cap, even if Vegas is eating some dollars.

Cap ramifications are pretty easy to handle. 2023 would be $6.64m for Adams. After acquiring we can push some of that into future years to get him as low as like $2.5m.

Waller would be $12m against our cap at the time of the trade, again a lot can get pushed out to lower his cap hit to about $4m.

So in the scenario, we activate Rodgers' option, and would still need to clear the $4m we're over the cap, plus $18.64m, in order to add their initial cap hit before restructures.

This can pretty easily be done by turning roster bonuses for Jaire, Clark, Bakh, Smith, Jones or Campbell into signing bonuses. We have space to spare.

The best part about this is that we won't start with any future dead cap for them.

[vegas492]

Seems even better to forget Waller and just trade to bring Adams back.

Watson is the #2 and Doubs is the #3 that we've wanted to pair with Adams.

[Mazrimiv]

8 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

Seems even better to forget Waller and just trade to bring Adams back.

Watson is the #2 and Doubs is the #3 that we've wanted to pair with Adams.

and Lazard can fill the Waller role anyway

[ThatJerkDave]

3 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

I am not sure even Brady can be successful under McDaniels in Vegas.

He is doing the same stuff there that destroyed everything in Denver.   He totally lost the team in Denver, and now is rapidly losing it in Vegas.   I don’t think an aging legend can make up for the effect of McDaniels personality issues.

Brady in Vegas will not end well.

I should have been more clear.  The Raiders may have interest because of his success with McDaniels.  But it is also a pretty big indictment on McDaniels that the only player that has ever been successful under his watch is also the guy that happens to have all the records.  How great would Tom Brady be if he had a competent coach instead of Mc Daniels? 

[MacReady]

56 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said:

I should have been more clear.  The Raiders may have interest because of his success with McDaniels.  But it is also a pretty big indictment on McDaniels that the only player that has ever been successful under his watch is also the guy that happens to have all the records.  How great would Tom Brady be if he had a competent coach instead of Mc Daniels? 

Lol.

Put down the Idiot Sensationalism Sauce and quit acting like McDaniels wasn’t wildly influential in the development of Brady, who was the most pedestrian QB in the league before McDaniels.

Brady had 6.7 YPA in his first three years as a starter and jumped up to 7.8 YPA as soon as McDaniels became his QB coach.

Didn’t have a season of 30 touchdown passes or 4,000 yards before McDaniels, either.

Josh McDaniels turned Brady from a clutch game manager into a clutch game winner.

Mac Jones did just fine with McDaniels at 22 touchdowns and 13 interceptions with 3,800 yards and a 7.3 YPA. As a rookie. Leaps and bounds better than Josh Allen’s rookie year and a good handful of other first year quarterbacks.

Jones currently has 9 touchdowns, 8 interceptions and 6.9 YPA.

He got Kyle Orton a career year with 3,800 passing yards, 21 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and 7 YPA.

Derek Carr did not perform that much worse than he had his entire career this year, either.

McDaniels is not a bad offensive mind by any means, and he had more to do with shaping Brady than you’re giving him credit for, and he also was wildly influential in changing the game plan to get Brady the ring against the Rams when he was playing like ***. It was his on the fly making plays up in the middle of the game that the Rams didn’t have an answer for and that finally allowed them to move the ball. When Brady couldn’t produce any points at all.

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Outpost31

[Mr Bad Example]

4 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

 

McDaniels is not a bad offensive mind by any means, and he had more to do with shaping Brady than you’re giving him credit for, and he also was wildly influential in changing the game plan to get Brady the ring against the Rams when he was playing like ***. It was his on the fly making plays up in the middle of the game that the Rams didn’t have an answer for and that finally allowed them to move the ball. When Brady couldn’t produce any points at all.

 

 

So basically what you're saying is McDaniels is an illustration of the Peter Principle. 

[HokieHigh]

7 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

Would give the Raiders a third round pick to take Adams back.

Yea our 3rd feels right

[MacReady]

1 hour ago, Mr Bad Example said:

 

So basically what you're saying is McDaniels is an illustration of the Peter Principle. 

Basically, yeah. McDaniels is an excellent second fiddle to a head coach. You put McDaniels in charge of an offense with a defensive minded head coach and he’s going to get good things out of your QB and your offense. If the QB has the intelligence to pick up his offense of course.

You put him in charge of a whole team and…

You’re going to get a Raiders/Broncos situation.

[ThatJerkDave]

7 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

Lol.

Put down the Idiot Sensationalism Sauce and quit acting like McDaniels wasn’t wildly influential in the development of Brady, who was the most pedestrian QB in the league before McDaniels.

Brady had 6.7 YPA in his first three years as a starter and jumped up to 7.8 YPA as soon as McDaniels became his QB coach.

Didn’t have a season of 30 touchdown passes or 4,000 yards before McDaniels, either.

Josh McDaniels turned Brady from a clutch game manager into a clutch game winner.

Mac Jones did just fine with McDaniels at 22 touchdowns and 13 interceptions with 3,800 yards and a 7.3 YPA. As a rookie. Leaps and bounds better than Josh Allen’s rookie year and a good handful of other first year quarterbacks.

Jones currently has 9 touchdowns, 8 interceptions and 6.9 YPA.

He got Kyle Orton a career year with 3,800 passing yards, 21 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and 7 YPA.

Derek Carr did not perform that much worse than he had his entire career this year, either.

McDaniels is not a bad offensive mind by any means, and he had more to do with shaping Brady than you’re giving him credit for, and he also was wildly influential in changing the game plan to get Brady the ring against the Rams when he was playing like ***. It was his on the fly making plays up in the middle of the game that the Rams didn’t have an answer for and that finally allowed them to move the ball. When Brady couldn’t produce any points at all.

 

Nah.  You are just jealous of Tom Brady.  McDaniels has had multiple chances and has found zero success without Brady.  It is quite simple, his offense doesn't work, and requires the greatest player of all time to make it go.  Even broken down, old Brady is leading his team better than McDaniels with: a fancy new offense featuring Davante Adams, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs, and Darren Waller.  Rich Bisaccia did better with this same roster, minus Davante Adams.  

[Refugee]

2 hours ago, HokieHigh said:

Yea our 3rd feels right

They can have every 3rd as long as Adams suits up in GB.  We will even include our last 3 3rd rounders to sweeten the deal. 

[Striker]

1 hour ago, ThatJerkDave said:

Nah.  You are just jealous of Tom Brady.  McDaniels has had multiple chances and has found zero success without Brady.  It is quite simple, his offense doesn't work, and requires the greatest player of all time to make it go.  Even broken down, old Brady is leading his team better than McDaniels with: a fancy new offense featuring Davante Adams, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs, and Darren Waller.  Rich Bisaccia did better with this same roster, minus Davante Adams.  

I don't think I'd go *that* far. The Bucs have the #7 scoring defense/#27 scoring offense vs. the #23 scoring defense/#12 scoring offense for the Raiders. 

The Raiders play in a much tougher division than the Bucs do. And they both could still end up out of the playoffs within a game or two of each other record wise.

Waller and Renfrow have both missed almost half the season, so they've had injuries too.

Also, McDaniels was OC in 2008 when Brady went down and they still had the #8 scoring offense. Yes, they missed the playoffs that year but that was more of a product of "the NFL is random" since that record would won that division and/or made the playoffs almost every year but that one.

Edited December 31, 2022 by Striker

[Lodestar]

33 minutes ago, Striker said:

I don't think I'd go *that* far. The Bucs have the #7 scoring defense/#27 scoring offense vs. the #23 scoring defense/#12 scoring offense for the Raiders. 

The Raiders play in a much tougher division than the Bucs do. And they both could still end up out of the playoffs within a game or two of each other record wise.

Waller and Renfrow have both missed almost half the season, so they've had injuries too.

Also, McDaniels was OC in 2008 when Brady went down and they still had the #8 scoring offense. Yes, they missed the playoffs that year but that was more of a product of "the NFL is random" since that record would won that division and/or made the playoffs almost every year but that one.

Defending Josh McDaniels and @Outpost31 in the same post. Go take a shower homie