squire12 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: You treat it as if the player were tackled at the 20. If the play would have resulted in a first down had the players been tackled at the 20, then it's first down. So if a player fumbles forward out of the endzone short of what would have been a first down, what is the new down and distance to go from the 20 yardline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Norm said: Next down IMO. So you'd lose it on 4th if you do it. What is the yardage to gain first down? Or is it goal to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 45 minutes ago, Norm said: Next down IMO. So you'd lose it on 4th if you do it. No, no. If the fumble occurs on 4th down....clearly possession can only be determined by a coin toss. If the offense wins, the ball goes to the 20 - first down. If the defense wins, the ball goes to the 20 - first down - heading in the opposite direction. Totally random. Totally fair. Good for at least two commercials while it all gets figure out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 F that. You fumble the ball out of the endzone then you unequivocally lose possession. You should not be rewarded for poor ball security in the endzone where it is completely different than the other 100 yds of play. It is complementary to how it works in your own endzone and how it’s a safety if you lose the ball out of bounds there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Brought back to the spot of the fumble. Easy. No need to overthink it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 What was once such a promising future....is now clouded in doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 4 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: Nah, screw that. If you are a moron and fumble it like that, you lose possession. I am tired of rule changes that help the offense. And if we want to amend it to be consistent, any fumble that goes out of the field of play is automatically the defense's ball at the spot it goes out of bounds. Oh you mean like every other sport on earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, squire12 said: So if a player fumbles forward out of the endzone short of what would have been a first down, what is the new down and distance to go from the 20 yardline? The rule would essentially treat the play as if the ball carrier was tackled at the 20, and proceed accordingly. Some examples: 1st down on the 35, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 1st down at the 20. 1st down on the 25, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 2nd and 5 at the 20. 1st down on the 15, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 2nd and 15 at the 20. 1st and goal on the 5, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 2nd and goal at the 20. Edited December 15, 2023 by Mazrimiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 It's only 8:20 on the west coast but I have to imagine Staley is a dead man walking in LA. I don't think there is a planet in the galaxy where an owner would keep him as coach after that debacle. The Raiders didn't have Josh Jacobs either and the week before they scored ZERO points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: The rule would essentially treat the play as if the ball carrier was tackled at the 20, and proceed accordingly. Some examples: 1st down on the 35, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 1st down at the 20. 1st down on the 25, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 2nd and 5 at the 20. 1st down on the 15, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 2nd and 15 at the 20. 1st and goal on the 5, fumbled out of EZ, next play is 2nd and goal at the 20. Hate this idea with a white-hot passion. They've done enough to help the offenses out over the last 3 decades. You have the 1st down portion of it right. Just rewarding a team for a bad play by giving it back to the offense. Say they fumble at the five and it's a loose ball, the defender can't get to it to recover it cleanly but can bat it the endzone out of bounds. STOP trying to turn this into the NBA after the 3-point shot. It's bad for football. In the NBA players play both ways. They have to give the defense the benefit of the doubt in some situations. BTW, the NBA is so hard to watch with the way they play basketball anymore. Just a bad, bad product, so is college basketball now. There is no forethought to this stupid idea. Edited December 15, 2023 by Old Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Guy Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, Leader said: To the surprise of no one. Hey Matt, It's OK to get rid of Barry during the season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Forget Joe Barry, let's FIRE GUTE!!! Telasco is out there waiting for a job!!! He's gotta be better than Gute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 I hope if MLF makes a change it’s for someone who plays a more attacking style of D. I don’t recall what Staley did in his one year as far as scheme goes but his defense was incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Reaper said: I hope if MLF makes a change it’s for someone who plays a more attacking style of D. I don’t recall what Staley did in his one year as far as scheme goes but his defense was incredible. His defense was incredible because it was secretly Barry calling the shots behind the scenes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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