FA WR Sammy Watkins: Your Team Interested? How Much $?

[JaguarCrazy2832]

55 minutes ago, G08 said:

It's insane for sure, but compare his career numbers (4 years) to Davante Adams' career numbers (4 years) and keep in mind Adams had one of the greatest QBs in NFL history throwing him the ball while Watkins had EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton, Tyrod Taylor and Jared Goff.

I'd have to think his agent, if he's worth a damn, is trumpeting those facts hoping someone takes the bait.

Doesnt Watkins have alot more injury concerns that Adams did when he signed his?

[jrry32]

1 hour ago, G08 said:

It's insane for sure, but compare his career numbers (4 years) to Davante Adams' career numbers (4 years) and keep in mind Adams had one of the greatest QBs in NFL history throwing him the ball while Watkins had EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton, Tyrod Taylor and Jared Goff.

I'd have to think his agent, if he's worth a damn, is trumpeting those facts hoping someone takes the bait.

Put some respeck on Jared's name.

[Trentwannabe]

58 minutes ago, G08 said:

It's insane for sure, but compare his career numbers (4 years) to Davante Adams' career numbers (4 years) and keep in mind Adams had one of the greatest QBs in NFL history throwing him the ball while Watkins had EJ Manuel, Kyle Orton, Tyrod Taylor and Jared Goff.

I'd have to think his agent, if he's worth a damn, is trumpeting those facts hoping someone takes the bait.

Adams is clearly trending upwards. Watkins is idle right now. 

Their stats may be similar because at the beginning of their careers Watkins was healthy and a number 1 WR whereas Adams was behind Cobb and Nelson. The last two years are the exact opposite as Adams has emerged as the number 1 target in GB and Watkins has missed 10 games compared to Adams 3. 

2014/15 combined:

Watkins: 26 games played, 125 catches, 2029 yards, 15 TDs

Adams:  23 game played, 88 catches, 929 yards, 4 TD's

2016/17 combined:

Watkins: 22 games played, 112 catches, 1023, 11 TDs

Adams: 29 games played, 149 catches, 1882 yards, 22 TDs

[G08]

@Trentwannabe that's valid but to be fair he was playing on a broken bone in his foot in 2016, he had surgery and a screw put in but it was the wrong size and he had to get the surgery corrected at the end of the season. In 2017 with the Rams he only missed one game, and prior to the broken foot he missed 0 games and 3 games respectively. I'm not too worried about it in that regard.

@jrry32  fair enough my man, fair enough!

[Trentwannabe]

20 minutes ago, G08 said:

@Trentwannabe that's valid but to be fair he was playing on a broken bone in his foot in 2016, he had surgery and a screw put in but it was the wrong size and he had to get the surgery corrected at the end of the season. In 2017 with the Rams he only missed one game, and prior to the broken foot he missed 0 games and 3 games respectively. I'm not too worried about it in that regard.

His rookie year he battled a groin injury the whole time too. 

I like Watkins a lot but I can't see any GM giving him a big contract until he can prove the injuries are behind him.

[Tugboat]

22 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said:

Adams is clearly trending upwards. Watkins is idle right now. 

Their stats may be similar because at the beginning of their careers Watkins was healthy and a number 1 WR whereas Adams was behind Cobb and Nelson. The last two years are the exact opposite as Adams has emerged as the number 1 target in GB and Watkins has missed 10 games compared to Adams 3. 

2014/15 combined:

Watkins: 26 games played, 125 catches, 2029 yards, 15 TDs

Adams:  23 game played, 88 catches, 929 yards, 4 TD's

2016/17 combined:

Watkins: 22 games played, 112 catches, 1023, 11 TDs

Adams: 29 games played, 149 catches, 1882 yards, 22 TDs

This is all totally fair and valid.  But that doesn't always really mean a lot when it comes to teams chasing top FAs.  On the open market like that...guys are worth what a team will pay them, which might very well be more than their "value" would otherwise suggest.

 

Anyway...It's been discussed in the Jaguars forum that there's an outside possibility that they'd go after him now, after letting Allen Robinson (and Marqise Lee) walk.  They very easily have the money to have signed ARob, (but chose not to utilize the Tag for some reason), which is now freed up to spend on something else.  A WR, and weapon to help Bortles out would make a great deal of sense.  There's also a bit of a connection there with Marrone and his time in Buffalo with Watkins.  He'd be a much clearer fit in replacing Marqise Lee in terms of "style of player", but would be a nice upgrade in that role.  Plus the ever-present taxation advantage in Florida, along with the chance to join an "up and coming" team that was half a game away from the Super Bowl last year.

It'd be an interesting swap to make if they pulled it off.

[MrOaktown_56]

A healthy Watkins with Rodgers>>Davante. 

[Xmad]

42 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

A healthy Watkins with Rodgers>>Davante. 

Davante is the better receiver, even in a perfect offense(It doesn't get better than the rams last year save for a QB upgrade) Watkins struggled to produce. 

Davante has produced with and without Rodgers.

 

[MrOaktown_56]

11 minutes ago, OleXmad said:

Davante is the better receiver, even in a perfect offense(It doesn't get better than the rams last year save for a QB upgrade) Watkins struggled to produce. 

Davante has produced with and without Rodgers.

 

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If you think the Rams system was designed to get him the ball, or that he "struggled to produce", you haven't watched watkins enough. Watkins is a more talented receiver than Davante. He's clearly more explosive and a better vertical threat at the very least.

[Xmad]

35 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

If you think the Rams system was designed to get him the ball, or that he "struggled to produce", you haven't watched watkins enough. Watkins is a more talented receiver than Davante. He's clearly more explosive and a better vertical threat at the very least.

It wasn't at all but still he could've been productive but he wasn't. 

Talent doesn't mean squat if you don't produce and so far Watkins has done jack all but be a solid receiver that shows glimpses and then gets injured.

More explosive and a better vertical threat? Sure. Doesn't mean he's better.

[MrOaktown_56]

7 minutes ago, OleXmad said:

It wasn't at all but still he could've been productive but he wasn't. 

Talent doesn't mean squat if you don't produce and so far Watkins has done jack all but be a solid receiver that shows glimpses and then gets injured.

More explosive and a better vertical threat? Sure. Doesn't mean he's better.

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Production has so much to do with scheme and the way a receiver is used. Marqise Goodwin had almost 1000 yards in Shannahan's offense after being a near-nobody in the NFL. You don't think Sammy Watkins is better than Marqise Goodwin? 

Also, averaging 66 yards per game in buffalo is a little more than solid for a receiver's first 3 years in the league.

Talent don't mean squat IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN A POSITION TO SUCCEED. 

[G08]

It's irrelevant but could you imagine him in the Chiefs' offense in Tyreek Hill's role? Slot, X, Z, backfield, gets his hands on the ball on smoke routes, WR screens, jet sweeps, etc. That's all the **** he did, and did damned well, at Clemson.

[bzane]

Interesting take on Sammy's value:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761395-nfl-free-agency-2018-the-1-player-each-nfl-team-should-let-walk

 

Sammy Watkins still carries the expectations of a top-flight wideout, but his 2017 production doesn't suggest an above-average player at his position.

He led the No. 1 offense in receiving touchdowns with eight but ranked fourth in receptions (39) behind rookie pass-catcher Cooper Kupp, running back Todd Gurley and wide receiver Robert Woods, who played in three fewer games.

In fairness to Watkins, the Rams offense, under head coach Sean McVay, spread the football around and unleashed Gurley, the eventual Offensive Player of the Year, as the focal point.

Nonetheless, the Rams' dynamic offensive design doesn't help Watkins at the negotiating table. Of course, his name and status as the fourth overall pick of the 2014 draft come with recognition, but he has only logged one 1,000-yard season as a receiver.

McVay's offense doesn't need Watkins to rank among the top five units for years to come. Sure, he's a useful asset, but the fourth-year veteran can probably sign a more profitable deal with another team that needs a playmaker on the perimeter. 

[Trentwannabe]

11 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

A healthy Watkins with Rodgers>>Davante. 

Sure.

But that is as hypothetical as it gets. Both because Watkins hasn't been consistently healthy and we'll likely never see Watkins as a Packer. Though that would be awesome. 

[Xmad]

15 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Production has so much to do with scheme and the way a receiver is used. Marqise Goodwin had almost 1000 yards in Shannahan's offense after being a near-nobody in the NFL. You don't think Sammy Watkins is better than Marqise Goodwin? 

Also, averaging 66 yards per game in buffalo is a little more than solid for a receiver's first 3 years in the league.

Talent don't mean squat IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN A POSITION TO SUCCEED. 

True it is incredibly scheme dependent and when he's been the no.1 option in Buffalo for most of his career he only had 1 1,000 yard season and lots of injuries. 

I'd say Goodwin outplayed Watkins last year, I'd say Watkins is more talented but he legitimatly got outplayed by Goodwin last year. Whether's that's the offense/situation he was in was anyone's guess but he played well enough to out produce Watkins. 

But he was put in a position to succeed...He was in the no.1 offense in the league and was the 4th receiver on the team, sure Gurley was the focus of the offense and they spread the ball around but he still didn't do jack squat except score TDs.