cannondale Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Not really. We either gave them a really sweetheart deal or a slightly less sweetheart deal. I'll be happy to say I'm wrong when we see numbers, but that wasn't structured the way it needed to be for this tag. Hate to say this but maybe the Packers wanted to stay within the spirit of the tag without pissing teams off. You know that no team wants another to drive the price up. Maybe the Packers wanted to stay respectable with regard to that while taking a shot in the dark. Yea -I know thats the p***y answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: It's 2018 no one looks at the non guaranteed money anymore. Not entirely true. That's one big aspect, but if a guy is like a $10m cap hit to cut that base salary is virtually guaranteed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kepler said: It sucks that the attempt failed, but here's what I'm having a hard time understanding.... if the deal is so team friendly, why did Fuller sign it? I guess you could say nobody else was offering anything better, but in that case I think he could just wait. It was worth a shot to try and sign Fuller, but we got a little lucky that the Bears didn't string it out for the full five days and then re-sign him. They could have held the Packers hostage if they wanted to. Now it seems like it's a must to get someone like the honey badger inked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: It is an overreaction. I'm not acting like it I'm straight up saying it. This was the number one guy on my list, but I knew that Chicago has all the leverage. It was a pipe dream, but Chicago obviously wanted him. Have to take your chance if you like him and offering a top 4 salary is a genuine effort. 18/4 is top 4 now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: It's 2018 no one looks at the non guaranteed money anymore. It is only fair to look at the guaranteed money when it pertains to Nelson being cut, not when GB tried to poach a player from another team for cheap guaranteed $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Packerraymond said: 18/4 is top 4 now? Miss the barnwell tweet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I think they would have signed the guy to a big deal anyways. It really sucks it backfried like it did though, hopefully Gute learns from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 People have this impression that Russ Ball is some cap guru. It's because all you ever hear is the team friendly deals he signs. What you don't hear about are all the players who slipped through our fingers because Ball was too cheap. Everyone assumed we never signed anyone because Ted had no interest. An equal if not greater reason was Russ Ball's exorbitant power. I was hopeful after the Graham signing, but this offer sheet has the league laughing at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: People have this impression that Russ Ball is some cap guru. It's because all you ever hear is the team friendly deals he signs. What you don't hear about are all the players who slipped through our fingers because Ball was too cheap. Everyone assumed we never signed anyone because Ted had no interest. An equal if not greater reason was Russ Ball's exorbitant power. I was hopeful after the Graham signing, but this offer sheet has the league laughing at us. No it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: If you make someone the 5th highest paid guy at his position when he hits Free Agency, that's about standard for a top 10 player. The market increases every year. It's not just for QBs. AJ Buyoe ws the 5th highest paid CB last year. Do we think ghtahe's a top 5 CB? The Bears questioned or werent certain about Fullers value - hence the Transition Tag. So - we challenged them to pony up enough that now Fuller will be a top five highest paid CB. We had no reasonable expectation to know they would match it but they determined based on their roster/depth and availalble CAP to kick their offer higher and match. Like I said - we could have made an offer that would have kicked Fuller further up the "highest paid" ladder - maybe CHI would have relented and said: "Alright - you can have him" - but - is he actually worth it? Also - the CAP just went down. First time in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: People have this impression that Russ Ball is some cap guru. It's because all you ever hear is the team friendly deals he signs. What you don't hear about are all the players who slipped through our fingers because Ball was too cheap. Everyone assumed we never signed anyone because Ted had no interest. An equal if not greater reason was Russ Ball's exorbitant power. I was hopeful after the Graham signing, but this offer sheet has the league laughing at us. They paid top dollar and then some, and then some more for Graham so I'm not buying that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Miss the barnwell tweet? No, he's got 18m in guarantees. They can't cut him for 2 years without being in the red, but let's be real here unless he flat out sucks they wouldn't have done that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Trying to see how Fuller is the 4th highest paid CB Player pos team age years total avg guaranteed at signing practical guarantees % guaranteed Josh Norman (2016-2020) CB WAS 30 5 $75,000,000 $15,000,000 $36,500,000 $50,000,000 66.67% 2021 Trumaine Johnson (2018-2022) CB NYJ 28 5 $72,500,000 $14,500,000 $34,000,000 $45,000,000 62.07% 2023 Stephon Gilmore (2017-2021) CB NE 27 5 $65,000,000 $13,000,000 $31,000,000 $40,000,000 61.54% 2022 Janoris Jenkins (2016-2020) CB NYG 29 5 $62,500,000 $12,500,000 $28,800,000 $28,800,000 46.08% 2021 A.J. Bouye (2017-2021) CB JAC 26 5 $67,500,000 $13,500,000 $26,000,000 $26,000,000 38.52% 2022 Malcolm Butler (2018-2022) CB TEN 28 5 $61,250,000 $12,250,000 $24,000,000 $30,000,000 48.98% 2023 Darius Slay (2016-2020) CB DET 27 4 $48,150,000 $12,037,500 $23,100,000 $23,100,000 47.98% 2021 Jalen Ramsey (2016-2020) CB JAC 23 4 $23,351,000 $5,837,750 $22,901,000 $22,901,000 98.07% 2021 Xavier Rhodes (2017-2022) CB MIN 27 5 $70,100,000 $14,020,000 $22,400,000 $32,800,000 46.79% 2023 Jimmy Smith (2015-2019) CB BAL 29 4 $41,102,000 $10,275,500 $21,000,000 $21,000,000 51.09% 2020 Desmond Trufant (2017-2022) CB ATL 27 5 $68,750,000 $13,750,000 $20,776,000 $41,526,000 60.40% 2023 Kareem Jackson (2015-2018) CB HOU 29 4 $34,000,000 $8,500,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000 58.82% 2019 Aaron Colvin (2018-2022) CB HOU 26 4 $34,000,000 $8,500,000 $18,000,000 $18,000,000 52.94% 2023 Kyle Fuller 4 $56,000,000 $14,000,000 $18,000,000 32.14% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Leader said: The Bears questioned or werent certain about Fullers value - hence the Transition Tag. So - we challenged them to pony up enough that now Fuller will be a top five highest paid CB. We had no reasonable expectation to know they would match it but they determined based on their roster/depth and availalble CAP to kick their offer higher and match. Like I said - we could have made an offer that would have kicked Fuller further up the "highest paid" ladder - maybe CHI would have relented and said: "Alright - you can have him" - but - is he actually worth it? Also - the CAP just went down. First time in awhile. I'm seeing that the Cap was at 167 last year and will be at 177 this year. Could obviously be wrong, I'm just not seeing it. The Transition Tag they had Fuller on was a 1/13. We upped it to 4/56? That doesn't seem particularly bold to me. If you're going to go out into Free Agency and chase down top tier guys, you better be prepared to pay real money. We just gave Graham (who isn't a top 5 TE in the league) a contract that made him the highest paid TE in the league. This wasn't an insane offer that we made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Leader said: Also - the CAP just went down. First time in awhile. Cap went from $167M in 2017 to $178M in 2018....in what world is that cap going down??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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