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1 minute ago, CWood21 said:

Personally, I don't think Denzel Ward will be on the board.  I mentioned a while back, you have to go back to 2009 the last time the first CB went off the board AFTER the 11th pick.  That's not really good odds for him to fall to our pick.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was gone. Still unless you consider Davenport or Landry elite, Chubb certainly won't be there.

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7 hours ago, Joe said:

Epic understatement. He's everything we've wanted him to be. 

I also agree that our LB's aren't the worst either. I think we're a pass rushing OLB away from it being a complete group. If our secondary can stay healthy... I'm not opposed to drafting a guy or two, but I don't think they're as bad as one would think.

We're going to need a lot more than just health from our secondary as the group as a whole has very little talent.  At CB, we've got one guy who would make every roster in the league.  Behind him there is little to no talent.  I'm not sure they'd make 30 of the 32 rosters.  Healthy or not, its going to an ugly season if our GM continues to sign on his hands and ignore the CB position.  We can't go into the season needing to depend on practice squad caliber players to play like quality NFL starters.  

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6 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

Wouldn't surprise me if he was gone. Still unless you consider Davenport or Landry elite, Chubb certainly won't be there.

Denzel Ward doesn't grade out as an elite CB.  He's a tier behind Marshon Lattimore as a prospect, and quite frankly without the hamstring concerns it's not even close.  In terms of grade, I have him a smidge ahead of Harold Landry.

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On 18-3-2018 at 3:16 PM, CWood21 said:

That part worries me.

I looked at the Browns 2015 numbers because that was the one season where Pettine didn't have a CB that he could leave on an island. Joe Haden missed most of the season. The Browns secondary really struggled that year. 22nd in yards allowed, 29th in TD allowed and 21st in INT (the year before they were 23rd in yards allowed but 6th in TD allowed and 2nd in INT).

That 2015 defense still had Donte Whitner, Tashaun Gipson, Tramon Williams, Karlos Dansby, Danny Shelton and Paul Kruger. 

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1 hour ago, Chinaski_86 said:

I looked at the Browns 2015 numbers because that was the one season where Pettine didn't have a CB that he could leave on an island. Joe Haden missed most of the season. The Browns secondary really struggled that year. 22nd in yards allowed, 29th in TD allowed and 21st in INT (the year before they were 23rd in yards allowed but 6th in TD allowed and 2nd in INT).

That 2015 defense still had Donte Whitner, Tashaun Gipson, Tramon Williams, Karlos Dansby, Danny Shelton and Paul Kruger. 

Gipson is the only player on that list that is really a standout. 

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13 hours ago, SSG said:

We're going to need a lot more than just health from our secondary as the group as a whole has very little talent.  At CB, we've got one guy who would make every roster in the league.  Behind him there is little to no talent.  I'm not sure they'd make 30 of the 32 rosters.  Healthy or not, its going to an ugly season if our GM continues to sign on his hands and ignore the CB position.  We can't go into the season needing to depend on practice squad caliber players to play like quality NFL starters.  

yeah, we're better off at the position than you think we are. Our secondary has had to take on way too much of the workload because of a lack of a pass rush. We've been in the bottom half of the league in sacks the last three seasons with two of those seasons being bottom 5 of the league. 

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40 minutes ago, Joe said:

yeah, we're better off at the position than you think we are. Our secondary has had to take on way too much of the workload because of a lack of a pass rush. We've been in the bottom half of the league in sacks the last three seasons with two of those seasons being bottom 5 of the league. 

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

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Posted (edited)

So in trying to understand the CB puzzle, we have one lead. What does Kyle Fuller have that the other guys in FA didn't have ? Right now, that's all we have to go off of. Obviously Gute would like to fill that hole in FA, but it seems like Fuller is the only guy we have shown interest in thus far. He is bigger at 6'-0". It's not like he would have been a bargain.

No way Fuller was Plan A, B and C if you intended to fill that hole via FA. It's puzzling to me. Any ideas ?

Edited by cannondale

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

got a link to that?

Edited by Joe

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nvm. Looking at the total defense, my bad.

 

I still think our secondary's better than we give it credit.

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2015 season

Total Sacks Leaders

  TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES
RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD
1 Denver 773 221 994 52.0 351 82 14 321 74 4 25 13 1
2 New England 743 305 1048 49.0 358 81 12 176 51 0 24 9 2
3 Pittsburgh 795 284 1079 48.0 311 76 17 282 70 2 18 13 0
4 Kansas City 769 165 934 47.0 290 89 22 477 90 4 13 7 2
5 Houston 721 309 1030 45.0 311 90 14 180 50 2 14 11 1
6 Carolina 713 336 1049 44.0 302 81 24 301 46 4 24 15 1
7 Detroit 799 214 1013 43.0 279 57 9 103 31 1 17 9 1
  Green Bay 755 224 979 43.0 256 70 16 198 45 2 13 6 1
  Minnesota 827 186 1013 43.0 283 64 13 215 91 2 12 9 1
10 Cincinnati 730 307 1037 42.0 288 83 21 202 37 1 11 7 0
11 LA Rams 801 331 1132 41.0 236 68 13 182 58 1 22 13 2
12 Tennessee 734 291 1025 39.0 271 56 11 164 45 1 15 8 1
  NY Jets 702 321 1023 39.0 278 73 18 191 31 0 17 12 0

 

2016 season

Total Sacks Leaders

  TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES
RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD
1 Arizona 789 199 988 48.0 374 66 14 263 66 2 25 14 1
2 Carolina 736 331 1067 47.0 270 68 17 204 37 1 19 10 2
3 Denver 785 259 1044 42.0 228 79 14 367 51 3 17 13 1
  Seattle 653 450 1103 42.0 272 69 11 72 31 0 18 8 1
5 Minnesota 672 315 987 41.0 310 58 14 253 100 2 13 13 2
6 Green Bay 744 207 951 40.0 295 85 17 209 44 0 10 8 0
  Tennessee 715 224 939 40.0 278 75 12 68 33 0 4 6 1
8 Buffalo 773 337 1110 39.0 253 73 12 207 49 1 13 6 2
9 Pittsburgh 742 289 1031 38.0 259 79 13 133 58 0 18 10 1
  Tampa Bay 798 185 983 38.0 234 81 17 234 53 4 16 12 0
  Washington 771 317 1088 38.0 253 74 13 186 79 0 19 8 0
12 Chicago 798 214 1012 37.0 230 68 8 73 25 1 13 3 1

 

2017 season

Total Sacks Leaders

  TACKLES SACKS INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES
RK TEAM SOLO AST TOTAL SACK YDSL PD INT YDS LONG TD FF REC TD
1 Pittsburgh 713 229 942 56.0 393 77 16 184 41 0 13 6 0
2 Jacksonville 750 200 950 55.0 356 77 21 294 67 2 17 12 5
3 Carolina 637 322 959 50.0 304 53 10 78 40 0 17 11 1
4 LA Rams 741 234 975 48.0 324 94 18 401 69 3 17 10 0
5 Tennessee 732 304 1036 43.0 272 71 12 154 33 0 11 9 1
  LA Chargers 831 289 1120 43.0 261 75 18 302 90 2 13 9 2
7 Chicago 781 228 1009 42.0 277 65 8 253 90 2 17 14 1
  New England 801 225 1026 42.0 299 65 12 114 39 0 9 6 0
  New Orleans 706 254 960 42.0 287 99 20 192 33 2 19 5 1
  Washington 757 334 1091 42.0 272 87 16 194 96 2 12 7 0
11 Cincinnati 770 346 1116 41.0 278 73 11 339 101 3 4 3 0
  Baltimore 765 215 980 41.0 280 80 22 385 63 3 17 12 3
13 Atlanta 713 305 1018 39.0 296 64 8 108 43 0 13 8 3
  Seattle 743 320 1063 39.0 269 77 14 212 78 3 16 11 1
15 Dallas 741 281 1022 38.0 321 60 10 98 25 1 27 11 0
  Philadelphia 708 227 935 38.0 246 87 19 278 59 1 16 12 5
17 Green Bay 780 299 1079 37.0 252 62 11 54 21 1 10 11 1
  Minnesota 653 289 942 37.0 251 69 14 200 36 1 11 5 0
  Arizona 785 198 983 37.0 255 72 15 258 82 1 18 6 1
20 Detroit 786 242 1028 35.0 228 77 19 253 37 3 19 13 2

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Posted (edited)

Just to point out how a statistic can misrepresent reality.  Look who we are tied with in 2017 for sacks.  Anyone who watched football last year isn't going to mistake the vikes pass rush with our pass rush.  Hell, in the last three years the vikes only have ONE more sack than we do.  Don't try to tell me our pass rush is ok because of where we are statistically?!?  Our pass rush is sadly ineffective.

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

7, 7, 19.

Those are our sack rankings the last 3 years. You're just flat out making stuff up.

The fact is, our sack total is not indicative of our pass rush.

Edited by Dubz41

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26 minutes ago, Dubz41 said:

Just to point out how a statistic can misrepresent reality.  Look who we are tied with in 2017 for sacks.  Anyone who watched football last year isn't going to mistake the vikes pass rush with our pass rush.  Hell, in the last three years the vikes only have ONE more sack than we do.  Don't try to tell me our pass rush is ok because of where we are statistically?!?  Our pass rush is sadly ineffective.

The fact is, our sack total is not indicative of our pass rush.

I agree with this. I think our biggest issue has been the complete lack of consistency. Just look at last year. First game of the year against the Seahawks we only had 3 sacks but that was one of the most dominant front 7 performances I have seen in a long time from this defense. 

The very next game we also had 3 sacks against the Falcons but our pass rush was almost non-existent. Sacks don't mean crap in the grand scheme of a whole seasons worth of defensive performance. All I care about is did we make the QB uncomfortable in the pocket. Too often QBs were way too comfortable going up against this Packers pass rush. 

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That Seattle offensive line was hot garbage.  They allowed that kind of pressure every week.  GB's front had very little to do with the pressure that day.  All they really had to do was simply show up.

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6 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

That Seattle offensive line was hot garbage.  They allowed that kind of pressure every week.  GB's front had very little to do with the pressure that day.  All they really had to do was simply show up.

Yes, but they did and dominated yet they still had 3 sacks. You can't take away a dominant defensive performance because of your opponent  although you can take a look at the whole body of work which wasn't great.  The same amount of sacks that happened the very next week in Atlanta which was  a crapshow for GB pass rush. Sacks don't mean crap if there also isn't enough pressure on non-sack plays. 

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