lancerman Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, EL Guapo said: More people will think it's fixed even if it isn't, that can cause it's own problems. Gamblers say it all the time. Usually it's just the emotions in the moment but who knows what will happen People cry that the nfl is fixed already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Woz said: Which you have to think some states will quickly look to implement ... Yea Jersey is already moving to get it up and running within a month right? PA and NY already have laws to help set it up (along with Miss. and West Virginia) It'll take a couple years but it'll take hold in most of the country fairly quickly in a rush to get some of that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL Guapo Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I wonder how they will handle credit which is what would keep the bookies around. I think only the high rollers would get credit if they give it at all. There's some ethical concerns with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 10 hours ago, lancerman said: People should realize this doesn't legalize gambling. It just struck down the federal government's ban from allowing states to legalize gambling. 2 hours ago, Woz said: http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/22516292/gambling-ranking-every-us-state-current-position-legalizing-sports-betting Beyond Nevada, there's New Jersey and Delaware that are basically there (were just waiting on the Court's decision). After that, it projects Connecticut, Iowa, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia as either having enacted laws to allow sports books or fast tracked legislation. Then there's another 13 states starting legislation (or announcing that they will start legislation). So, perhaps within five years, nearly half of the states could have legal sports books. The others have laws that would have to be repealed or, in the case of Utah, the state constitution amended. I was coming to post what Lancer said. I know Ohio's leadership isn't in favor of legalizing sports betting right now though they have allowed a few casinos to be built, they are still taking the process very slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Yea Jersey is already moving to get it up and running within a month right? PA and NY already have laws to help set it up (along with Miss. and West Virginia) It'll take a couple years but it'll take hold in most of the country fairly quickly in a rush to get some of that money. http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/22516292/gambling-ranking-every-us-state-current-position-legalizing-sports-betting 1 state ready now: Nevada 2 states essentially ready: New Jersey, Delaware 6 states could have it done in relatively (legislatively speaking) short order: Connecticut, Iowa, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia 13 states discussing passing laws to allow it: California, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina 2 states could do it by expanding existing laws: Oregon, Montana Rest either need to repeal anti-sports book laws already on the books or (in the case of Utah) amend the state constitution. So, potentially By 2018 season start (let's assume that no one opens a book before September, a possible unsafe assumption) teams whose home state is adjacent to a state that supports sports books AFC West LA Chargers (Nevada) (soon-not-to-be) Oakland Raiders (Nevada) NFC West Arizona Cardinals (Nevada) LA Rams (Nevada) San Francisco 49ers (Nevada) By 2020 season (within two years) teams whose home state may support sports books AFC East Buffalo Bills New York Jets AFC North Pittsburgh Steelers AFC West (soon-to-be) Las Vegas Raiders NFC East New York Giants Philadelphia Eagles teams whose home state is adjacent to a state that may support sports books AFC East New England Patriots (Connecticut) AFC North Baltimore Ravens (Delaware, Pennsylvania, West Virginia) AFC South Tennessee Titans (Mississippi) AFC West LA Chargers (Nevada) NFC East Washington Redskins (Delaware, Pennsylvania, West Virginia) NFC North Green Bay Packers (Iowa) NFC South New Orleans Saints (Mississippi) NFC West Arizona Cardinals (Nevada) LA Rams (Nevada) San Francisco 49ers (Nevada) By 2023 season (within five years) teams whose home state may support sports books AFC East Buffalo Bills New England Patriots New York Jets AFC North Baltimore Ravens Pittsburgh Steelers AFC South Indianapolis Colts AFC West Kansas City Chiefs Las Vegas Raiders Los Angeles Chargers NFC East NY Giants Philadelphia Eagles Washington Redskins NFC North Chicago Bears Detroit Lions Minnesota Vikings NFC South <none> NFC West Los Angeles Rams San Francisco 49ers teams whose home state is adjacent to a state that may support sports books AFC North Cincinnati Bengals (Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia) Cleveland Browns (Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia) AFC South Houston Texans (Oklahoma) Tennessee Titans (Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri) AFC West Denver Broncos (Kansas, Oklahoma) NFC East Dallas Cowboys (Oklahoma) NFC North Green Bay Packers (Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota) NFC South Atlanta Falcons (South Carolina) Carolina Panthers (South Carolina) New Orleans Saints (Mississippi) NFC West Arizona Cardinals (California, Nevada) Seattle Seahawks (Oregon) teams where neither home state nor an adjacent state projects to support sports books in five years AFC East Miami Dolphins AFC South Jacksonville Jaguars NFC South Tampa Bay Buccaneers Now, before you complain, yes I realize some of these markers may be long distance (Houston to Oklahoma, CA teams to Nevada in the short term). Just showing how it could blossom. Just now, Raves said: I was coming to post what Lancer said. I know Ohio's leadership isn't in favor of legalizing sports betting right now though they have allowed a few casinos to be built, they are still taking the process very slowly. That's nice but possibly irrelevant since every state adjacent to Ohio is looking to move towards a legalized sports book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Woz said: Rest either need to repeal anti-sports book laws already on the books or (in the case of Utah) amend the state constitution. Pretty surprised Florida is in this group. Utah, wyd? They really are sticklers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, cddolphin said: Utah, wyd? They really are sticklers. There is one big reason why Utah has that in their constitution, but that gets extremely close to topics that Webby says are verboten. Think on it for a bit and it might come to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, Woz said: Now, before you complain, yes I realize some of these markers may be long distance (Houston to Oklahoma). You're expecting me to go to OKLAHOMA!? HELL, PEOPLE FROM OKLAHOMA DON'T WANT TO BE IN OKLAHOMA! Ask @Whicker and @CWood21! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, EliteTexan80 said: You're expecting me to go to OKLAHOMA!? HELL, PEOPLE FROM OKLAHOMA DON'T WANT TO BE IN OKLAHOMA! Ask @Whicker and @CWood21! Take it up with the Texas Lege. While it's not adjacent, you could potentially head to Natchez, MS ... about the same distance from Houston. Whether that's better than going to Oklahoma, I leave that to the reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 2 hours ago, EL Guapo said: I wonder how they will handle credit which is what would keep the bookies around. I think only the high rollers would get credit if they give it at all. There's some ethical concerns with it. That's probably going to be an even bigger issue - bookies will probably survive by extending credit to ppl who shouldn't be extending it. Then again, right now that's how bookies are operating, they're just getting it from everyone. The "legal" venues will no doubt have limits on credit & such that will be in place for good reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said: You're expecting me to go to OKLAHOMA!? HELL, PEOPLE FROM OKLAHOMA DON'T WANT TO BE IN OKLAHOMA! Ask @Whicker and @CWood21! Is there really any difference between Oklahoma and Texas aside from the magnitude? They both have two cities worth a damn (Austin/Dallas and Tulsa/OKC), both have professional sports teams who continue to disappoint), and both are CFB states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, Broncofan said: That's probably going to be an even bigger issue - bookies will probably survive by extending credit to ppl who shouldn't be extending it. Then again, right now that's how bookies are operating, they're just getting it from everyone. The "legal" venues will no doubt have limits on credit & such that will be in place for good reasons. Or they'll have a "payday loan" business open right next door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, CWood21 said: Is there really any difference between Oklahoma and Texas aside from the magnitude? They both have two cities worth a damn (Austin/Dallas and Tulsa/OKC), both have professional sports teams who continue to disappoint), and both are CFB states. Dallas is worth a damn? News to me. Houston I could see some people liking (not my cup of tea, but hey), San Antonio's a nice small town ... but Dallas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Ahhh nice @Woz, looks like that Money from casinos and other gambling outlets should kick into high gear just as we have to give Carson a 30+ mil contract, ownership stake, land in New Jersey and the souls of every eagles fans first born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Is there really any difference between Oklahoma and Texas aside from the magnitude? They both have two cities worth a damn (Austin/Dallas and Tulsa/OKC), both have professional sports teams who continue to disappoint), and both are CFB states. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF YOUR 2017 WORLD SERIES CHAMPION HOUSTON ASTROS! 12 minutes ago, Woz said: Dallas is worth a damn? News to me. Houston I could see some people liking (not my cup of tea, but hey), San Antonio's a nice small town ... but Dallas? Dare I say - Houston would like you, @Woz. Do you like affordable housing, cheap fuel, crawfish, Tex Mex, Tex Mex WITH crawfish and BBQ? If so, stop on by. On a real note - there was significant chatter about Houston turning the Astrodome into a Casino, with the intent to turn a big portion of it into a sportsbook. It was always pushed off as a pipe dream, but with this? I could absolutely see Bob McNair swinging some of his political weight to get this looked at more seriously. Opening up a Casino/Hotel/Sportsbook in the 8th Wonder of the World, within walking distance from where the Texans play would in essence be a cash register for McNair. Don't be shocked if Texas gets on the fast track to get something up for vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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