Kparty15 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, vikestyle said: I don't disagree with that, I just disagree with what we should spend our extra draft capital on. I think about specialists who are drafted early like Anger and Aguayo. I don't know of their high draft positions led to their failure due to added pressure or if they just weren't very good and were horrible picks from the beginning. All I'm saying is I would rather have my pick of the litter at IOL than have a guy I'm not as thrilled about along with a punter and a RB that might see 5 touches a game. Yeah I mean if you don’t like taking a punter high that’s understandable because the highly drafted specialists haven’t really lived up to their draft round lately. That was just one example though. A guy like Mark Walton may only have a few snaps a game this year, but he could end up splitting carries with Latavius if Cook goes down again. Also I don’t think there’s a very good chance that Latavius is on the roster next year so Walton could see a huge boost in touches at that point. If they have one of the IOL rated significantly higher than the other guys than I’m sure they will take them, but I just don’t think there is a huge difference between their current values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 hours ago, NoDakViking said: Perhaps the Giants move up for Rudolph after taking Barkley at #2. Not sure Mason Rudolph makes it to the Vikings pick. There's a lot of rumblings that we're going to see more than 5 QBs go in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 12 hours ago, CWood21 said: Not sure Mason Rudolph makes it to the Vikings pick. There's a lot of rumblings that we're going to see more than 5 QBs go in the 1st round. Which is fine by me because it just means the talent that I do want to see in Minnesota will be pushed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 19 hours ago, Kparty15 said: Yeah I mean if you don’t like taking a punter high that’s understandable because the highly drafted specialists haven’t really lived up to their draft round lately. That was just one example though. Never... ever.... draft specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 hours ago, rpmwr19 said: Never... ever.... draft specialists. He’s right you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: He’s right you know. I don't agree. While you don't want to or need to draft specialists, I can't say you never should draft them. You just need to be pickier about them than other positions. While Vinatieri was an UDFA, the Patriots drafted Gostkowski in '06 to replace him...he turned out all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, disaacs said: I don't agree. While you don't want to or need to draft specialists, I can't say you never should draft them. You just need to be pickier about them than other positions. While Vinatieri was an UDFA, the Patriots drafted Gostkowski in '06 to replace him...he turned out all right. Over 80% of kickers with a career accuracy level of 80% or better we’re either undrafted, or drafted in a round that no longer exists. And there’s no correlation between a specialist that was drafted, compared to one who wasn’t, and their overall success. It’s just not a smart allocation of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: Over 80% of kickers with a career accuracy level of 80% or better we’re either undrafted, or drafted in a round that no longer exists. And there’s no correlation between a specialist that was drafted, compared to one who wasn’t, and their overall success. It’s just not a smart allocation of resources. But 7 out of the top 10 active career scoring leaders as kickers were drafted. While I don't necessarily disagree with you on your points, I don't think it's necessarily as black & white to say you should never draft one, because you could miss out on a Gostkowski or a Mason Crosby if you hold firm on that policy. I just think you need to be more picky on when to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Can't wait for more useless 6th and 7th round picks......so if that's the offer, no..... When they trade down, and the "draft board just didn't fall right to take an OL"....and the OL isn't good enough again, good luck. Getting more 2/3 round picks? Probably a good idea. Getting 4-7 round picks? Not so much. Not at the risk of losing out on a guy who can actually help this year, while they are SB contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 hours ago, PrplChilPill said: Can't wait for more useless 6th and 7th round picks......so if that's the offer, no..... When they trade down, and the "draft board just didn't fall right to take an OL"....and the OL isn't good enough again, good luck. Getting more 2/3 round picks? Probably a good idea. Getting 4-7 round picks? Not so much. Not at the risk of losing out on a guy who can actually help this year, while they are SB contenders. How do you propose getting more 2/3 round picks? You could trade every pick the team has after round 3 and barely get back into the 4th round. Add in the team’s 3rd round pick and you’d barely have enough to move up 12 spots in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: How do you propose getting more 2/3 round picks? You could trade every pick the team has after round 3 and barely get back into the 4th round. Add in the team’s 3rd round pick and you’d barely have enough to move up 12 spots in the 3rd. I think he's saying to trade back for an extra 2nd/3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 12 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: I think he's saying to trade back for an extra 2nd/3rd How far would we have to drop in order to get an extra 3rd? I would think 15-20 spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: How far would we have to drop in order to get an extra 3rd? I would think 15-20 spots Roughly, yes. If you're only looking to trade down into the top 5 of the 2nd round, you’re looking at gaining a 4th round pick. If you want an extra 3rd round pick, you’ll likely need to drop out of the top 10 of the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 And to get an extra second they would have to drop all the way to the back ten of the second to get a pick at the end of the second. The team would end up with maybe three of the last 10 picks in round two instead of a 1st and just one pick in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I could see Indy wanting to move up to get a guy they like with 2 picks back to back at the top of round 2. Indy sends #36 and #104 for #30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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