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2018 POST DRAFT PLAYER AND ROSTER ANALYSIS

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5 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

It's fair to say the internet is not the best method to get into such a discussion as complex as this.   I'd only point out it's hard to say those statements in a vacuum.  She may have made the wrong decision to think she could represent him (ok, she definitely made the wrong decision lol) - but she's also parented him to the point he got this far, too.     So it's not hard to see guys with single moms be loyal.   

And to be fair, we don't win SB50 without DT, he was nails in that playoff run.   And he's been our most reliable WR since that extension.  He may no longer be worth the salary now, but that doesn't eliminate the greatness he's given us.    It's frustrating because he's dropped balls, but that comes with the territory - he's gotten a huge bad rap for being soft, when he's played every game, every season (sure he goes to the sidelines for some plays, but playing every game every season, that's an ironman feat that removes all doubt that he's not giving 100 percent each week).    Blaming his problems on his mom, that's overly reductionist - if anything, the wear and tear on his body is more to blame (as it's robbed him of that elite explosiveness and YAC home run ability he used to have).

The bolded is legit.  The SB50 stats is 13/23 for Peyton for 141yards..  CJ 90 yards rushing, Sanders 6 catches for 80 yards and DT 1 catch for 8 yards.  That offense was embarrassing itself for a year and a half.  Thank God we had the D and now it is back!  

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DT's size hurt him long term IMO. Guy's got such a big, wide frame --- a huge target to take a beating on. Similar story for Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant. While guys like AJ and Julio are tall and well built but with a skinnier frame. 

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22 minutes ago, anewdawn said:

The bolded is legit.  The SB50 stats is 13/23 for Peyton for 141yards..  CJ 90 yards rushing, Sanders 6 catches for 80 yards and DT 1 catch for 8 yards.  That offense was embarrassing itself for a year and a half.  Thank God we had the D and now it is back!  

nah our defense won't be in the same atmosphere as that defense. But they could be good again if Chubb is legit. 

 

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13 minutes ago, anewdawn said:

The bolded is legit.  The SB50 stats is 13/23 for Peyton for 141yards..  CJ 90 yards rushing, Sanders 6 catches for 80 yards and DT 1 catch for 8 yards.  That offense was embarrassing itself for a year and a half.  Thank God we had the D and now it is back!  

Yea but Superbowl 48 DT was the only one who played well.  He earned his contract and letting a guy go who has been a model citizen and consummate professional is a bad look as far as bringing in other free agents.  Signing him was the right move, he just didn't age gracefully.  If we would've had competent QB play the last 2 years it would cast a better light on his entire career as well IMO

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26 minutes ago, anewdawn said:

The bolded is legit.  The SB50 stats is 13/23 for Peyton for 141yards..  CJ 90 yards rushing, Sanders 6 catches for 80 yards and DT 1 catch for 8 yards.  That offense was embarrassing itself for a year and a half.  Thank God we had the D and now it is back!  

Yeah, that's fair - should have been clearer, he (and Sanders) didn't do much in SB50, but the few plays they made were all on them with PIT/NE & CAR.   Peyton was a corpse by then.   And he was an alpha in the other playoff years, no doubt.

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1 minute ago, broncofan48 said:

Yea but Superbowl 48 DT was the only one who played well.  He earned his contract and letting a guy go who has been a model citizen and consummate professional is a bad look as far as bringing in other free agents.  Signing him was the right move, he just didn't age gracefully.  If we would've had competent QB play the last 2 years it would cast a better light on his entire career as well IMO

Yeah so true about SB48.  If there was one game he could have actually left due to injury that was it.  He was the only guy who gave anything that game and he was actually hurt.  It's just a shame what happened to him after signing that contract.  

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23 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

DT's size hurt him long term IMO. Guy's got such a big, wide frame --- a huge target to take a beating on. Similar story for Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant. While guys like AJ and Julio are tall and well built but with a skinnier frame. 

Yup, DT's body type and play don't age nearly as well.  Dez is another (slightly different skill set, but same problem).   DT has declined, but I think we don't realize how much he still offers.  Still, he's too pricey now to keep with our cap situation, although I wouldn't be shocked to see Sanders go first.  One of them is going.  

 

4 minutes ago, broncofan48 said:

Yea but Superbowl 48 DT was the only one who played well.  He earned his contract and letting a guy go who has been a model citizen and consummate professional is a bad look as far as bringing in other free agents.  Signing him was the right move, he just didn't age gracefully.  If we would've had competent QB play the last 2 years it would cast a better light on his entire career as well IMO

QFT.

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1 minute ago, Broncofan said:

Yeah, that's fair - should have been clearer, he (and Sanders) didn't do much in SB50, but the few plays they made were all on them with PIT/NE & CAR.   Peyton was a corpse by then.   And he was an alpha in the other playoff years, no doubt.

I think they were good for about a TD a game maybe two.  It always came on one of the first drives so it kept the opposing d's honest.  I mean they knew they were facing a pathetic offense but Peyton would show just enough life to keep the opposing d's honest.

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Like the rest of you I’m still wondering why we didn’t draft an OT or IOL early. It’s a blatantly obvious position of need and without a major OL performance upgrade we’re going nowhere.

I’m pretty sure the answer lies with guys already on the roster. Here are the OT’s we never hear about.

Andreas Knappe: OT, 6’8”, 325lb, 26 yo UDFA from UC. Signed to the Colts PS Dec 4, 2017 after previous stops at Was. and Atl. Signed a reserve/future contract with Denver Jan 18, 2018.Interesting kid. Danish import that didn’t start playing football until he was 18. World class “team handball” (whatever that is) player. Not really much else to say. Started 2 years at U Conn.Whats unusual is Denver signing a 26 yo raw OT. Most teams wouldn’t waste a slot on a 26 yo project but we did. Must be something there.

Cyrus Kouandjio: OT, 6’7”, 322lb, 24 yo prospect from Alabama with an almost 36” arm length. Buffalo drafted him with the 12 pick (#44) in the 2014 draft. Signed with Denver Nov.8, 2017.Got all the physical tools but has never maximized them. Here’s a quote from WalterFootball’s scouting report. “If Kouandjio lands with a good offensive line coach and some talent around him, he could end up being a steal and a very good offensive lineman.”

Elijah Wilkinson: OT, 6’6”, 329lbs, 23 yo UDFA from U Mass. Signed with Denver May, 11, 2017.Started 33 games at RT in college. Fairly versatile and has played all OL positions except center. Was activated to the 53 man roster for the last 8 games of the season.

Anyway, not sure if any of these guys are the answer, same as our IOL PS players. They've all got potential, now it's time for our new OL Coaches to show what they've got. Hopefully they can develop a gem or two out of the bunch. They must think they can, otherwise we missed a great opportunity with this draft class.

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14 minutes ago, AKRNA said:

Like the rest of you I’m still wondering why we didn’t draft an OT or IOL early. It’s a blatantly obvious position of need and without a major OL performance upgrade we’re going nowhere.

I’m pretty sure the answer lies with guys already on the roster. Here are the OT’s we never hear about.

Andreas Knappe: OT, 6’8”, 325lb, 26 yo UDFA from UC. Signed to the Colts PS Dec 4, 2017 after previous stops at Was. and Atl. Signed a reserve/future contract with Denver Jan 18, 2018.Interesting kid. Danish import that didn’t start playing football until he was 18. World class “team handball” (whatever that is) player. Not really much else to say. Started 2 years at U Conn.Whats unusual is Denver signing a 26 yo raw OT. Most teams wouldn’t waste a slot on a 26 yo project but we did. Must be something there.

Cyrus Kouandjio: OT, 6’7”, 322lb, 24 yo prospect from Alabama with an almost 36” arm length. Buffalo drafted him with the 12 pick (#44) in the 2014 draft. Signed with Denver Nov.8, 2017.Got all the physical tools but has never maximized them. Here’s a quote from WalterFootball’s scouting report. “If Kouandjio lands with a good offensive line coach and some talent around him, he could end up being a steal and a very good offensive lineman.”

Elijah Wilkinson: OT, 6’6”, 329lbs, 23 yo UDFA from U Mass. Signed with Denver May, 11, 2017.Started 33 games at RT in college. Fairly versatile and has played all OL positions except center. Was activated to the 53 man roster for the last 8 games of the season.

Anyway, not sure if any of these guys are the answer, same as our IOL PS players. They've all got potential, now it's time for our new OL Coaches to show what they've got. Hopefully they can develop a gem or two out of the bunch. They must think they can, otherwise we missed a great opportunity with this draft class.

Of all of them Cyrus seems the best...you cannot coach length.  

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20 minutes ago, AKRNA said:

Like the rest of you I’m still wondering why we didn’t draft an OT or IOL early. It’s a blatantly obvious position of need and without a major OL performance upgrade we’re going nowhere.

I’m pretty sure the answer lies with guys already on the roster. Here are the OT’s we never hear about.

Andreas Knappe: OT, 6’8”, 325lb, 26 yo UDFA from UC. Signed to the Colts PS Dec 4, 2017 after previous stops at Was. and Atl. Signed a reserve/future contract with Denver Jan 18, 2018.Interesting kid. Danish import that didn’t start playing football until he was 18. World class “team handball” (whatever that is) player. Not really much else to say. Started 2 years at U Conn.Whats unusual is Denver signing a 26 yo raw OT. Most teams wouldn’t waste a slot on a 26 yo project but we did. Must be something there.

Cyrus Kouandjio: OT, 6’7”, 322lb, 24 yo prospect from Alabama with an almost 36” arm length. Buffalo drafted him with the 12 pick (#44) in the 2014 draft. Signed with Denver Nov.8, 2017.Got all the physical tools but has never maximized them. Here’s a quote from WalterFootball’s scouting report. “If Kouandjio lands with a good offensive line coach and some talent around him, he could end up being a steal and a very good offensive lineman.”

Elijah Wilkinson: OT, 6’6”, 329lbs, 23 yo UDFA from U Mass. Signed with Denver May, 11, 2017.Started 33 games at RT in college. Fairly versatile and has played all OL positions except center. Was activated to the 53 man roster for the last 8 games of the season.

Anyway, not sure if any of these guys are the answer, same as our IOL PS players. They've all got potential, now it's time for our new OL Coaches to show what they've got. Hopefully they can develop a gem or two out of the bunch. They must think they can, otherwise we missed a great opportunity with this draft class.

Dont forget Billy turner?

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22 minutes ago, thebestever6 said:

Dont forget Billy turner?

I try to each day. 

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And don't forget that Menelik Watson has earned more than 12 million dollars from the Broncos to play 7 games as arguably the worst right tackle in the league. 

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5 hours ago, anewdawn said:

When some of these clowns let their moms take a hands on approach to their football it really doesn't seem to work in a lot of the cases.  Lmao - I may not be able to explain this is any short order but wow did my opinion of Jackson ever change over the whole draft process including his post selection interviews etc!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok

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On 4/29/2018 at 11:31 AM, jolly red giant said:

Watched an interview with Elway and he said they dipped into analytics for the first time - I wouldn't be surprised to see more of that.

 

8 hours ago, jolly red giant said:

He mentions 'dipping into analytics this year' at about 1.10 or so while he is listing people with thanks.

 

 

This is courtesy of @TheRealMcCoy in the Draft Forum, but I thought this captured the point beautifully.  It's just a tool, but the smart FO's are using them to enhance their drafting & personnel evaluation.  No better argument.   Kubiak's influence, more analytics.  It's like a breath of fresh air here.

 

 

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