JBURGE Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: What window? The Bears don't have a window. We don't even know what the Bears gave up. What if the Bears gave up a different piece on that front 7 plus 2 first round picks? The Bears aren't getting anything significant out of Mack in the 7 days they have him before the season starts. He's missed all of training camp, all of the preseason. People say he's fit. Okay, every NFL player could be fit if they sat out the entire preseason. Being fit is not synonymous with being NFL season fit, or even NFL game fit. Their first two games are against the Packers and Seahawks. Their last four games are against the Rams, Packers, Vikings and Niners. They also play the Patriots. With a first year head coach. They're out of the big free agent market next year due to signing Mack, and they're out of HUGE draft capital. The Bears are not in a position to make this trade. Teams in position to make this trade are the Saints, Packers, Colts, Patriots, Steelers... Teams with a PROVEN QB and a PROVEN head coach who are USED to having low first round draft capital. I'll give you props for being consistently against this for us and the Bears. But thew Bears are in a position to make this deal. They have talent on every level of the offense and defense. Personally I think Trubisky sucks, but if he doesn't, they did just open a window for the next 3 years. After that they'll be dealing with not having talented youth, but if Trubisky with Nagy shock us, they'll be really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, HighCalebR said: They need a true #1 CB but otherwise I think they're solid enough. Probably better than we were last year. Yeah the Packers are in trouble in the division... at least some very tough teams with the Vikings and revamped Bears, who I think have made some great moves with their head coach and getting guys that fit his offensive system. And now, three our of four of their LBers are top 10 draft choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatZepp Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, Beast said: I think Brandt summed up what I've been trying to say all along. With that investment price there is no margin for error, especially if you don't have a lot of cap space. Bears have more cap space and less players that should be resigned soon. And sounds like it's 2 first round picks and a player (no word, which player). Yea, there is no margin of error for Mack being elite, he IS elite, it’s not like the Black and Silver give him super powers! The big gamble would have to be sustained health, we know he has what it takes today! Im curious as to “and a player”, I didn’t think of Chicago having any depth on offense, their deepest positions were d-line and linebacker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beast said: Yeah the Packers are in trouble in the division... at least some very tough teams with the Vikings and revamped Bears, who I think have made some great moves with their head coach and getting guys that fit his offensive system. I think our CB's are ahead of last years squad already, by the end of the year I think we'll be looking at a good enough D where it's not the absolute liability it has been. Jaire = Randall out the gate. King should only get better. If Jackson gives us anything that's just complete bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatZepp Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Beast said: Yeah the Packers are in trouble in the division... at least some very tough teams with the Vikings and revamped Bears, who I think have made some great moves with their head coach and getting guys that fit his offensive system. That Bears offense has the go against the best secondary in the league twice a year in Minnesota and a hopefully greatly improved Packers secondary as well. They definitely put their chips in offensive skill positions though; now about their offensive line.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, JBURGE said: I'll give you props for being consistently against this for us and the Bears. But thew Bears are in a position to make this deal. They have talent on every level of the offense and defense. Personally I think Trubisky sucks, but if he doesn't, they did just open a window for the next 3 years. After that they'll be dealing with not having talented youth, but if Trubisky with Nagy shock us, they'll be really good My thing is I don't understand why everybody acts like this is a good move. How many times in NFL history has the team trading a king's ransom for a player worked out? It's always the team that gets the draft capital that ends up on top. The Cowboys built a dynasty off of it. The one thing that has been consistent in the NFL is that you need draft capital. Even if you get all the best free agents, even if you get all the best trades, the draft is the single most important element to any team. Everybody acts like our last Super Bowl was because of Woodson and Pickett. It wasn't. We had an all-time great series of drafts. Aaron Rodgers. Clay effing Matthews and BJ Raji in the same draft. You can't keep a window OPEN without draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, TheGreatZepp said: Yea, there is no margin of error for Mack being elite, he IS elite, it’s not like the Black and Silver give him super powers! The big gamble would have to be sustained health, we know he has what it takes today! Im curious as to “and a player”, I didn’t think of Chicago having any depth on offense, their deepest positions were d-line and linebacker... You completely misunderstood the comment... it's not about Mack being elite in a single moment, it's about him being elite over the entire contract. You could say JJ Watt and Justin Houston were elite too before their mega contracts and then they started getting injured like they were Nick Perry which wasn't elite. So there is no margin for error for Mack being elite or injured, or anything else over the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, JBURGE said: I'll give you props for being consistently against this for us and the Bears. But thew Bears are in a position to make this deal. They have talent on every level of the offense and defense. Personally I think Trubisky sucks, but if he doesn't, they did just open a window for the next 3 years. After that they'll be dealing with not having talented youth, but if Trubisky with Nagy shock us, they'll be really good My window comment wasn't "The Bears are already contenders and this is their window" but rather the window of being able to load up elsewhere with big money deals while their QB is dirt cheap I'm not worried about the Bears THIS season, but they already had a good defense and are now adding one of the top 5 defensive players at a premium position to that group. That side of the ball is now set for years, along with having a proven and good DC in Fangio running things The risk for Chicago is obvious. They play in what is probably the toughest division right now with 2 teams clearly ahead of them in the present. Not to mention just the landscape of the NFC right now is ridiculous. This deal is Chicago clearly banking on and putting all their chips on the table with regards to Trubisky and Nagy being the real deal. It could blow up in their face and odds are it will, but I can understand why they'd swing for the fences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: They need a true #1 CB but otherwise I think they're solid enough. Probably better than we were last year. Better then Green Bay last year isn’t saying much... just saying. They have Fuller and that’s kind of it right? My point is traditionally Green Bay and specifically Rodgers has had issues with teams with strong secondarys not strong front seven. The front seven strength is icing on the cake... think Seattle back in the day. Look I dont really think this moves the needle against teams with elite QBs for Chicago... but it helps in all the other games. Minnesota can’t just mark down Chicago as 2 wins, neither can Detroit (no I don’t think Stanford is elite, very very good though). But against a Rodgers, Wilson, Brees... I still think it’s easier to manage a crazy good pass rush then it is to try and crack a stacked secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatZepp Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Green19 said: Better then Green Bay last year isn’t saying much... just saying. They have Fuller and that’s kind of it right? My point is traditionally Green Bay and specifically Rodgers has had issues with teams with strong secondarys not strong front seven. The front seven strength is icing on the cake... think Seattle back in the day. Look I dont really think this moves the needle against teams with elite QBs for Chicago... but it helps in all the other games. Minnesota can’t just mark down Chicago as 2 wins, neither can Detroit (no I don’t think Stanford is elite, very very good though). But against a Rodgers, Wilson, Brees... I still think it’s easier to manage a crazy good pass rush then it is to try and crack a stacked secondary. Rodgers has for the bulk of his career played behind some very good offensive lines, add in that McCarthy will not play a back that is assignment sound and they negate much from a top level opposing front seven. When Rodgers line has been out matched, say against the Giants years ago, Rodgers was constantly on the run and in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 And this is why GB extends their guys EARLY rather than waiting. Adams, Bak, Daniels....etc deals look like steals mere months later once the offseason and FA rolls around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I feel like George McFly pining for Lorraine and she just hooked up with Biff. Hopefully, the compensation is so much it really messed up Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, thrILL! said: I feel like George McFly pining for Lorraine and she just hooked up with Biff. Hopefully, the compensation is so much it really messed up Chicago. Damn. Hope I never feel like George McFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Green19 said: Better then Green Bay last year isn’t saying much... just saying. I mean, conspicuously Green Bay apparently fixed their CB issue by spending high picks on CBs this year, which is not a luxury that Chicago will have going forward. Sure, they can sign a FA CB but after paying Mack it might be tough to land someone really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Green19 said: Better then Green Bay last year isn’t saying much... just saying. They have Fuller and that’s kind of it right? My point is traditionally Green Bay and specifically Rodgers has had issues with teams with strong secondarys not strong front seven. The front seven strength is icing on the cake... think Seattle back in the day. Look I dont really think this moves the needle against teams with elite QBs for Chicago... but it helps in all the other games. Minnesota can’t just mark down Chicago as 2 wins, neither can Detroit (no I don’t think Stanford is elite, very very good though). But against a Rodgers, Wilson, Brees... I still think it’s easier to manage a crazy good pass rush then it is to try and crack a stacked secondary. Fuller, Amukamara/Cooper, Callahan and Cre'von is good DC. They definitely need that #1 and they don't have a prospect for the spot but I don't think they're bottom of the barrel bad. I'd say it's better than the Lions even with Slay. Yeah I wouldn't say this makes the Bears favorites against elite teams either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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