Game of Thrones - Our Watch has Ended

[NYRaider]

28 minutes ago, Chinaski_86 said:

Because people love to complain. About the draft, Endgame and now GoT. If something isn't spoon-fed to them then it's "lazy writing". 

 

This was lazy writing though. They've built the Night King and White Walkers up since the first episode of the series for what exactly? There was clearly a huge drop off in storytelling when they ran out of source material. Both of the directors have publicly stated that they want to move on to different things and this episode highlighted that. Yes, the action scenes were amazing and overall it was one of the most entertaining episodes of the series. That doesn't mean it was strong storytelling, they took a dump on what they've been building for years. 

The Night King's demise is built upon a major plot hole. Not to mention we never get any real backstory or reason as to why he's coming South. Every single main character survived the battle although almost every other soldier died, how is that good writing? The whites were able to swarm the dragon and nearly kill it within like 30 seconds. Yet Jon, Dany, Greyworm, Brienne, Jamie, and almost every other major character was on the verge of being swarmed and then somehow survived? Again, plot holes galore.  

[Piquel]

1 minute ago, The LBC said:

Second Sons are still in Essos where Daario is supposed to be holding down for Dany, aren't they?

Yes, But I thought it was known that he would disobey her order and show up at just the right moment

 

[Daniel]

Just now, Piquel said:

So it comes down to the Second Sons vs The Golden Company????

And whatever is left in the Reach, who bent the knee to Dany after the field of fire (and Sam is now the lord of Horn Hill and presumptive Lord paramount of the Reach), along with the leftover northerners (remember the Glovers staying put) and the Vale (they didn't send everyone).  Dany should still be able to easily take on Cersei, just with Drogon, Rhaegal, and the token force she has, but at least it's not as laughably one-sided as it was at the end of season 7.

[DreamKid]

The best strat would've been luring the Night King to right where they did, but then using one of the dragons to air drop Hot Pie down on to him like a Nuclear Bomb.

[PARROTHEAD]

1 minute ago, The LBC said:

That business became publicly traded, you're not going to be able to do the stuff (some of which people remember with waaay too rosy-tinged of glasses) that got Russo wet in the shorts in the AE while answering to shareholders.

You like to root for the bad guy.  No one's saying that you're not allowed to.  But don't act like that's an attitude reflected by the majority, especially when it comes to GoT.  Entire bars of people cheered when Arya came flying in and then again when she prison shanked the Night King, there's video of it all over the internet.  Pretty much been the law in entertainment media for a long while, eventually you have to adapt to the wants/expectations of the mainstream or you die in your niche.  Especially with TV, hence why we've seen so many great show concepts cancelled one or two seasons in.  With the kind of budget that was getting sunk into GoT, they weren't going to risk that.

You need to go back a few post to what I said. I described what fit me and my taste. I wasnt saying anything for anyone else.

And WWE became public in 1999. The PG thing didnt kick in till 5 years later. Torrie and Dawn were at their peak with what they did the few years after going public with the company.

[Heimdallr]

so is there anything stopping Bran from just warging into Cersei and having her jump off a building?

[MakeDenverGreatAgain]

7 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

This was lazy writing though. They've built the Night King and White Walkers up since the first episode of the series for what exactly? There was clearly a huge drop off in storytelling when they ran out of source material. Both of the directors have publicly stated that they want to move on to different things and this episode highlighted that. Yes, the action scenes were amazing and overall it was one of the most entertaining episodes of the series. That doesn't mean it was strong storytelling, they took a dump on what they've been building for years. 

The Night King's demise is built upon a major plot hole. Not to mention we never get any real backstory or reason as to why he's coming South. Every single main character survived the battle although almost every other soldier died, how is that good writing? The whites were able to swarm the dragon and nearly kill it within like 30 seconds. Yet Jon, Dany, Greyworm, Brienne, Jamie, and almost every other major character was on the verge of being swarmed and then somehow survived? Again, plot holes galore.  

This guy gets it.

[Superman(DH23)]

10 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

This was lazy writing though. They've built the Night King and White Walkers up since the first episode of the series for what exactly? There was clearly a huge drop off in storytelling when they ran out of source material. Both of the directors have publicly stated that they want to move on to different things and this episode highlighted that. Yes, the action scenes were amazing and overall it was one of the most entertaining episodes of the series. That doesn't mean it was strong storytelling, they took a dump on what they've been building for years. 

The Night King's demise is built upon a major plot hole. Not to mention we never get any real backstory or reason as to why he's coming South. Every single main character survived the battle although almost every other soldier died, how is that good writing? The whites were able to swarm the dragon and nearly kill it within like 30 seconds. Yet Jon, Dany, Greyworm, Brienne, Jamie, and almost every other major character was on the verge of being swarmed and then somehow survived? Again, plot holes galore.  

What plot hole?  That you didnt see Arya get to the Godswood?  That's not a plot hole.  A plot hole would be if they hadn't spent 7 years making arya into a deadly fighter who can use stealth and subterfuge.  They earned all of that.  It's a choice that you didnt like, not a plot hole.  Also, again, they didnt spend all this time on the show making the NK out to be some ba warrior.  They showed him on screen 4 times prior to this episode, he has killed 1 dragon, other than that he has walked slowly and commanded the Army of the Dead.  They did not spend 7 years building up the Army of the Dead as the main threat.  They have spent roughly 1-2 hours out 69 showing said Army.  The problem isnt with the material, it's with your understanding and interpretation. 

[Ty21]

18 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

This was lazy writing though. They've built the Night King and White Walkers up since the first episode of the series for what exactly? There was clearly a huge drop off in storytelling when they ran out of source material. Both of the directors have publicly stated that they want to move on to different things and this episode highlighted that. Yes, the action scenes were amazing and overall it was one of the most entertaining episodes of the series. That doesn't mean it was strong storytelling, they took a dump on what they've been building for years. 

The Night King's demise is built upon a major plot hole. Not to mention we never get any real backstory or reason as to why he's coming South. Every single main character survived the battle although almost every other soldier died, how is that good writing? The whites were able to swarm the dragon and nearly kill it within like 30 seconds. Yet Jon, Dany, Greyworm, Brienne, Jamie, and almost every other major character was on the verge of being swarmed and then somehow survived? Again, plot holes galore.  

Eh this is the most popular show ever, loved by everyone. It isn’t the shows fault, it’s yours. 

[MakeDenverGreatAgain]

Just now, Superman(DH23) said:

What plot hole?  That you didnt see Arya get to the Godswood?  That's not a plot hole.  A plot hole would be if they hadn't spent 7 years making arya into a deadly fighter who can use stealth and subterfuge.  They earned all of that.  It's a choice that you didnt like, not a plot hole.  Also, again, they didnt spend all this time on the show making the NK out to be some ba warrior.  They showed him on screen 4 times prior to this episode, he has killed 1 dragon, other than that he has walked slowly and commanded the Army of the Dead.  They did not spend 7 years building up the Army of the Dead as the main threat.  They have spent roughly 1-2 hours out 69 showing said Army.  The problem isnt with the material, it's with your understanding and interpretation. 

I had to put this whole take in bold because it's so bad, it isn't even funny anymore.

[NYRaider]

2 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said:

What plot hole?  That you didnt see Arya get to the Godswood?  That's not a plot hole.  A plot hole would be if they hadn't spent 7 years making arya into a deadly fighter who can use stealth and subterfuge.  They earned all of that.  It's a choice that you didnt like, not a plot hole.  Also, again, they didnt spend all this time on the show making the NK out to be some ba warrior.  They showed him on screen 4 times prior to this episode, he has killed 1 dragon, other than that he has walked slowly and commanded the Army of the Dead.  They did not spend 7 years building up the Army of the Dead as the main threat.  They have spent roughly 1-2 hours out 69 showing said Army.  The problem isnt with the material, it's with your understanding and interpretation. 

I've mentioned the plot hole a few times in the thread but essentially it's this: 

• In season 6 the NK sees Bran in his vision and marks him so that he can kill the 3ER. 

• The NK immediately goes to the warewood tree and kills the 3ER. 

• Obviously, the NK knows that Bran has the ability of the 3ER. 

• After he kills the 3ER he just lets Bran run. Hodor holds the door and the girl drags Bran through the snow to escape the NK and the whites. 

So you're telling me that the NK had Bran outside of the wall, being defended/dragged by a teenage girl in a blizzard, and was capable of tracking his every movement, why not kill him then? If killing Bran was so important to him that he risked his life and stepped in front of his entire army to deliver the killing blow why didn't he just kill him earlier? He could've easily tracked Bran down in the wilderness and killed him then and there during season 6. How is it that he wasn't concerned with killing Bran at all that day but 2 seasons later takes an extreme risk to kill him. 

[NYRaider]

4 minutes ago, Tyty said:

Eh this is the most popular show ever, loved by everyone. It isn’t the shows fault, it’s yours. 

It's my fault that the show's writers got lazy with the writing this season? Just because something is loved doesn't mean that it's perfect. 

[pwny]

16 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Not to mention we never get any real backstory or reason as to why he's coming South.

Yes, we did. He was created by the Children of the Forest in an attempt to fight the humans. His entire purpose was to bring an endless night wherein human history ceased to any longer exist. And then they literally spelled it out for anyone who still was having trouble figuring it out last week. He wants to erase this world and I am its memory. If we forget where we’ve been and what we’ve done, we’re not men anymore, just animals.

Pretty cut and dry what his motives were. Not really sure where the confusion lies.

[sunnygsm]

The NK and his army were clearly depicted as the main threat. They had entire plotlines devoted to stopping him. They gathered people from left and right to fight him. Cersei has always been portrayed as a formidable opponent and a threat to Jon/Dany, but she isn't really a threat to the entire realm. 

[Heimdallr]

Just now, NYRaider said:

So you're telling me that the NK had Bran outside of the wall, being defended/dragged by a teenage girl in a blizzard, and was capable of tracking his every movement, why not kill him then? If killing Bran was so important to him that he risked his life and stepped in front of his entire army to deliver the killing blow why didn't he just kill him earlier? He could've easily tracked Bran down in the wilderness and killed him then and there during season 6. How is it that he wasn't concerned with killing Bran at all that day but 2 seasons later takes an extreme risk to kill him. 

My theory is that the NK didn't actually want to kill Bran. Otherwise he could have done it a hundred different ways. Hopefully they explain things next episode.