LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Just to be clear, though, Callaway and LT Desmond Harrison, both guys Dorsey selected this year, have made multiple mistakes over and over. Callaway, 3x after freshman, sophomore & during junior year. SA (in which his defence was he was too high to be able to commit SA), drug arrest, suspension x2, and credit card fraud (for macbooks & iPad's, not getting food on the table/family back home, before ppl play the poor student card). Harrison was suspended 2x on Texas minimum, before getting cut. And to boot - both failed drug tests at the Combine. Just this past offseason. Well after the past history of repeat infractions for both. So while I get that Gordon may have used up his capital with Dorsey, it's very selective memory to indict Gordon for his mistakes, and then say others who've made mistakes in the past - but not ding them for a repeated pattern like Gordon's shown. The difference here is that Gordon wasn't Dorsey's - he inherited him. Dorsey's choosing that the headaches that Callaway (and even LT Harrison) bring are worth it. He doesn't think Gordon's headaches are worth it, and likely the fact he's not a guy Dorsey chose to bring in seems like an influence. That's totally fine, it's human nature, but let's call it what it is. P.S. Talent-wise, I like both players a lot. So don't take this as me criticizing the selections. I think Callaway might end up being the best pick of the draft when you factor in value at 4.1. And I actually mocked DEN taking Harrison as a priority UDFA in our play-the-DEN GM game. Just seems VERY arbitrary judgment, and more about clearing the old guard out and Dorsey bringing "his guys" - even if they have a very checkered past, that frankly aren't a whole lot different than Gordon's risk-wise at the same stage of their career. You’re not wrong, but there are a few differences. First, as far as the rookies, while they’ve both made plenty of mistakes, since joining the Browns they’ve been pretty quiet with the exception of the weed citation in Calloway’s car, which was just a ticket. They’ve come in, worked hard and done what they needed to do. Gordon missed camp, came back and was apparently acting erratically today. The past for all of these guys is not good, but their present actions are pretty different. That is a big difference imo. Also, it’s hard to know what they see say to day. Maybe they could see Gordon just clearly wasn’t buying in. Obviously that’s somewhat speculative, but consistent with his past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gannon12 said: Hill is an obvious choice. Took him anyways and his flags were beyond red Sure, but since he’s been in the league he’s had his poop in a group and stayed clean. That’s the key difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Sure, but since he’s been in the league he’s had his poop in a group and stayed clean. That’s the key difference. It doesn’t take away the risk factor involved. I mean that in a sense that Gordon was let go for no legitimate reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Gannon12 said: It doesn’t take away the risk factor involved. I mean that in a sense that Gordon was let go for no legitimate reason tbh there's been a dozen legitimate reasons to let go of Gordon for nearly a half-decade. Is it weird timing? Sure. But he's definitely a player deserving of being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, squire12 said: Vegas odds on landing spots View image on Twitter OddsShark ✔@OddsShark Will Josh Gordon sign with a new NFL team this season? Yes -300 No +200 If yes, what team will he sign with? NE +150 GB +200 TEN +250 JAX/DAL/IND/NYG +400 NYJ +500 ARI/SEA +600 CHI/PHI +1000 SF +1200 Any other team +500 Odds via @betmybookie 7:04 PM - Sep 15, 2018 35 39 people are talking about this SMH.....Do you know how desperate you have to be to bet on something as stupid as this? I am legitimately shocked right now. I'm sorry, but the people betting on something like this are the reason Gamblers anonymous exists and I hope that every one of them betters enroll ASAP for their own sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said: tbh there's been a dozen legitimate reasons to let go of Gordon for nearly a half-decade. Is it weird timing? Sure. But he's definitely a player deserving of being released. I ment why now? If not a legitimate reason. Dorsey takes plenty of risks and if Gordon isn’t facing suspension then wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 As far as Josh Gordon.... Ricky Williams would be a great mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I genuinely feel bad for Browns fans seems like no matter who they hire, they want to ensure suffering it’s like Al Davis 2003-2011 style permanently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Gannon12 said: I genuinely feel bad for Browns fans seems like no matter who they hire, they want to ensure suffering it’s like Al David 2003-2011 style permanently Well yeah, they have a 2.0 version named Jimmy Haslam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, TheKillerNacho said: Well yeah, they have a 2.0 version named Jimmy Haslam. ☹️ And poopy auto correct on phone. i do feel bad for them they have a serious defense and it’s like they try n hold them back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, TheKillerNacho said: I don't think the Browns are putting their eggs in the basket of this season, tbh. If anything, it's a brilliant move. Start Baker and he might accidentally win you games. Tyrod is a QB you can tank with with the illusion to the team that you're trying to win now so they don't check out and hurt their development. Tbh thought this last year lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Hopefully we can get a player for him instead of another 7th rounder uuuuuuuugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, pnies20 said: Hopefully we can get a player for him instead of another 7th rounder uuuuuuuugh I'll give you JJ Nelson and a 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: I'll give you JJ Nelson and a 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: As far as Josh Gordon.... Ricky Williams would be a great mentor. He doesn’t need a weed outback backpacker guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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