JBURGE Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Somebody needs to answer my question. Is Devin White even that generational or even decade prospect, or is he just the best prospect at the position in this draft? Is he even the undisputed best ILB prospect in the draft, or are there people suggesting Bush or the other one whose name I forgot are better? Because people seem to relent when saying positional value matters, but not if there's a generational talent. Is he that generational talent, and would he even crack the top ten of ILB prospects this decade? Pending combine, since Kuechly was drafted, I would have him under Kuechly and LVE, and above Roquan, Tremaine, Shazier, and Mosley. Those are just the guys that may have been considered blue chip guys. I was higher on LVE and lower on Roquan than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Somebody needs to answer my question. Is Devin White even that generational or even decade prospect, or is he just the best prospect at the position in this draft? Is he even the undisputed best ILB prospect in the draft, or are there people suggesting Bush or the other one whose name I forgot are better? Because people seem to relent when saying positional value matters, but not if there's a generational talent. Is he that generational talent, and would he even crack the top ten of ILB prospects this decade? I don't think anyone here is really banging the table ( Palmy please come back soon) for White at 12 or saying he's generational or whatever. They're just saying if the board was crap for GB, they'd consider White because he's a hell of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: I don't think anyone here is really banging the table ( Palmy please come back soon) for White at 12 or saying he's generational or whatever. They're just saying if the board was crap for GB, they'd consider White because he's a hell of a player. A couple top prospects would literally have to die or quit for the board to be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kepler said: A couple top prospects would literally have to die or quit for the board to be that bad. Why? Pre combine, with doing minimal tape study just watching some highlight cuts and a couple cuts... if someone were to say the elite prospects in this draft are: Quinnen Williams Nick Bosa Josh Allen Ed Oliver DK Metcalf Devin White Which as of today, would probably be close to my list, there is always an argument to take the final top tier prospect over the next tier. We don't know what will happen in FA, but if we get a safety and a starting caliber edge, would the positional value push Ferrell, Polite, Burns, Wilkins or Dexter Lawrence above? I dunno. I don't understand how it's always so cut and dry. Personally, I would rather have Martinez and take a premium position, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong to want to take White if they have him a grade above whoever else is there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: I don't think anyone here is really banging the table ( Palmy please come back soon) for White at 12 or saying he's generational or whatever. They're just saying if the board was crap for GB, they'd consider White because he's a hell of a player. Except GB would have trade down opportunities as well. That's what is kind of missing from the discussion. Honestly, we're all arguing about something way too early on. We don't really know what the board will generally look like until April, and even then, there are always some surprises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, rcon14 said: Except GB would have trade down opportunities as well. That's what is kind of missing from the discussion. Honestly, we're all arguing about something way too early on. We don't really know what the board will generally look like until April, and even then, there are always some surprises. Not really. Trade back opportunity of value is kind of an assumption and it's been brought up repeatedly. Do agree with the latter statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, rcon14 said: Except GB would have trade down opportunities as well. That's what is kind of missing from the discussion. Honestly, we're all arguing about something way too early on. We don't really know what the board will generally look like until April, and even then, there are always some surprises. Trade back opportunities sure, ones beneficial to the Packers? That's an assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Trade back opportunities sure, ones beneficial to the Packers? That's an assumption. Getting a top 25 EDGE, OT, DB or even ILB, TE, WR, IOL at 25th overall plus the draft capital we would acquire to trade from 12th overall is more beneficial to the Packers than getting an IOL/WR/TE/ILB 12th overall, yes. Unless that 12th overall non-premium position is a top three prospect. Don't think anybody at those positions is that player this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Getting a top 25 EDGE, OT, DB or even ILB, TE, WR, IOL at 25th overall plus the draft capital we would acquire to trade from 12th overall is more beneficial to the Packers than getting an IOL/WR/TE/ILB 12th overall, yes. Unless that 12th overall non-premium position is a top three prospect. Don't think anybody at those positions is that player this year. Agree with this. The most realistic possibility I can see is the Chargers offering 28 and 2020 1st for 12 for Kyler Murray. Realistic because we just saw the Chiefs and Texans do that for Mahomes and Watson, and because I think the Chargers might become desperate trying to get some LA market share with the Rams dominating right now. Kyler Murray is exciting If we did that and then moved from 28 up like with Jaire last year, I think that would be pretty damn sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Trade back opportunities sure, ones beneficial to the Packers? That's an assumption. The trade back options are virtually endless. Any number of teams could want to move up for a specific prospect, and yes, it is entirely an assumption at this point, but I don't think that thinking there would be multiple offers for 12 should we put in on the table is a risky assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 hours ago, rcon14 said: PFF adjusted pressures to a % of pass rush snaps here: https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1098670393487998976 Do we all need to give Ferguson more attention a little later or will his combine be too poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: Do we all need to give Ferguson more attention a little later or will his combine be too poor? He isn’t going to the combine... character... He is intriguing. His pressure numbers were good, lower competition. I’ve heard people don’t like his build and think he’s stiff. Nice frame though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Getting a top 25 EDGE, OT, DB or even ILB, TE, WR, IOL at 25th overall plus the draft capital we would acquire to trade from 12th overall is more beneficial to the Packers than getting an IOL/WR/TE/ILB 12th overall, yes. Unless that 12th overall non-premium position is a top three prospect. Don't think anybody at those positions is that player this year. That is debatable. The 25th best OT I’m the league is a mid teir starter. The 25th best rusher is a Kyler Fackrell level production player. Would they help, yes. Is that pick 12 good... no. I’m also pretty sure people game plan around physical freak TEs/wrs (Metcalf in particular is bigger than 2 edges we want... nuts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, pacman5252 said: He isn’t going to the combine... character... He is intriguing. His pressure numbers were good, lower competition. I’ve heard people don’t like his build and think he’s stiff. Nice frame though Pro day* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just found out I have a final exam from 7-950pm on draft day. Filled w/ disappointment and sorrow I am. Legit the only thing I really get pumped to watch anymore. Gonna DVR it and just pretend it's live. But the class I have the final in a sports management class so one of those *******s is probably gonna spoil something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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