GSUeagles14 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, tyler735 said: So being on pace for 2,300 or so yards of offense, and 16 touchdowns while following up an All-Pro selection in his rookie year is a homer response? Neat. context matters, if that cant be acknowledged then its absolutely a homer response. You ignored everything else, he hasnt been great running the ball this year, teams are actually playing the run and now he doesnt have gapping holes. He has insane equity in the pass game, thats how hes racking up yardage. Michael thomas isnt the best WR this year but he also has insane equity in the pass game and thats why his stats look the best. Kamara is very valuable cause not many guys can do it at the rb position but no one would be surprised if he put up a jarvis landry like line of 100 catches @ 10 yards/catch. Landry has never been considered a top 10 wr. racking up tons of short catches doesnt make you an elite player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 58 minutes ago, tyler735 said: He is certainly in the conversation, as he has been incredible again to start the season. Without him, my Saints would probably be sitting at 0-3 to start the season. What sets him apart is his versatility. Right now teams have been doing a good job shutting down running lanes against the Saints. When Kamara has a hole, he almost always takes advantage and nets a positive play. Heck, even when there isn't a hole to run through, he still will sometimes make an incredible play that few in the league can replicate to turn it into a positive play. A couple examples of what he can do that few others in the league can do are at 1:24, and 2:29 in this video: It is funny watching the box score scouts in here though stating that "Kamara has a low YPC, so how can he be in the conversation", and the "Saints miss Ingram more than we thought". Neither of those statements are particularly true. Kamara is averaging 3.8 ypc, which isn't great, but if we take a look at our next leading rusher Mike Gillislee, he is averaging 2.6 ypc. Also if we are using ypc without context, what happened to Todd Gurley 2 years ago (3.2 ypc), and this year (4.1 ypc)? In other words, it is a silly argument to cite ypc without any further context. As for the missing Ingram comments, sure I'd love to have him back as he is certainly much better than Mike Gillislee, but I highly doubt he fixes the non-existent running lanes that have been there for much of the season so far for my Saints. The fact that Kamara is still 143 yards of offense per game despite having hardly any running lanes, just shows how big of a weapon he is due to his versatility. The guy is on pace for nearly 2,300 yards of offense and 16 touchdowns, but hey his YPC is a bit low, so he must not be that great lol. Sir. Todd Gurley scored 3 TDS vs the Cards and didn’t play the second half. Todd has 255 Yards, 4 Rushing tds. Against AZ he avg 2.2 Yards. against the Chargers and raiders.. 4.6 and 5.4 had he gone back in against AZ he could have raised his 2.2 avg. but no need. And he has 1 TD receiving and another 121 thru the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 One thing I do want to say, a lot of people are forgetting how pivotal the Offensive line is to whether or not the Runningback succeeds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, El ramster said: Sir. Todd Gurley scored 3 TDS vs the Cards and didn’t play the second half. Todd has 255 Yards, 4 Rushing tds. Against AZ he avg 2.2 Yards. against the Chargers and raiders.. 4.6 and 5.4 had he gone back in against AZ he could have raised his 2.2 avg. but no need. And he has 1 TD receiving and another 121 thru the air. Awesome. Todd Gurley is also a great player. Which I why I stated throwing out YPC with no context isn't the best argument to use. Thank you for further expanding on my point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamedayGuru Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Kamara is the 3rd best all purpose RB in the NFL behind Bell and Gurley. I think Kamara is averaging something like 130+ yards per game and a TD. Some people might say oh but his rushing numbers or whatever, thats great and all, but that happens to every RB, they will have a bad game, but with Kamara, if he isn't having a good game rushing u better be sure he will catching, or vice versa, he is great every game, doesn't matter how he gets it, he just does. Edited September 24, 2018 by GamedayGuru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) Le'Veon Bell and Todd Gurley would be my top two. I love Kamara, but I don't think he's as good of an inside runner as those two are. All of them are phenomenal in the passing game. I'd put Kamara in the same tier as Elliott, Johnson, and McCoy. I think Barkley and McCaffrey (2nd behind Kamara in YFS so far and 3rd in rushing at 5.9 YPC) will be accepted into that tier by the end of the season too. This is as good as the RB position has been in a very long time. I think all of the guys mentioned are elite talents. Edited September 24, 2018 by iknowcool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamedayGuru Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) This season: Todd Gurley: Scrimmage yards - 376, yards per touch - 5.2 Alvin Kamara: Scrimmage yards - 430, yards per touch - 6.4 I take it back, Kamara IS the best all purpose back in the NFL. now a days being able to be a recieving RB is just as important as running the ball, it opens up the rest of the offense and makes the team better. I'll take a RB with 1000 rushing yards and 1000 rec yards EVERY TIME over a RB with 1,300 rush yards and 300 rec yards. Edited September 24, 2018 by GamedayGuru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 He's among the best, not sure I'd call him the best though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 31 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: context matters, if that cant be acknowledged then its absolutely a homer response. Exactly, which I why I provided context in my previous post as to why Kamara's YPC totals are down instead of just blindly citing a YPC number. 31 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: You ignored everything else, he hasnt been great running the ball this year, teams are actually playing the run and now he doesnt have gapping holes. I didn't ignore everything else. I actually took the bigger picture into account. He has very few holes to run through, he has found other ways to make big impacts on games when the run game hasn't been there. He is averaging 1.2 more yards per carry than the Saints backup RB. Kamara has also taken more goal line/short yardage carries than his backup Mike Gillislee. There simply haven't been many holes to run through to start the year. When this happens it doesn't matter who the RB is, they are going to struggle. Look at Gurley 2 years ago when he didn't have holes to run through. 31 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: He has insane equity in the pass game, thats how hes racking up yardage. Michael thomas isnt the best WR this year This year, I haven't seen a WR playing better than Michael Thomas, we will see if that continues, but regardless Thomas is likely a top 5. 31 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: but he also has insane equity in the pass game and thats why his stats look the best. Kamara is very valuable cause not many guys can do it at the rb position but no one would be surprised if he put up a jarvis landry like line of 100 catches @ 10 yards/catch. Landry has never been considered a top 10 wr. racking up tons of short catches doesnt make you an elite player. When Landry gets his first All-Pro selection, accounts for over 1,500 yards of offense in a season, gets 15 touchdowns in a season, and becomes the best in the NFL at forcing missed tackles, then we can certainly entertain the comparison between him and Kamara lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamedayGuru Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, tom cody said: He's among the best, not sure I'd call him the best though. best pure runner? Nope he isn't, best multi purpose threat? Yes, yes he is, until Bell comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, El ramster said: Wtf? He has 141 Rush Yards, On 3.8... Hell freaking no and the Saints also boast a top 3 Oline. If anything shows how overrated he’s become. Oh with more touches he’ll increase his YPC?? nah he’s not Jamal Charles... He’s not even a top 5 Running back with those low numbers. Saints need Ingram much more than y’all think. Still jelly that he was the best player on the field when he played your Rams last year...huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Kamara is going to shatter the receiving records at RB this season, and he’ll do so without even looking like it’s hard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Exactly, which I why I provided context in my previous post as to why Kamara's YPC totals are down instead of just blindly citing a YPC number. I didn't ignore everything else. I actually took the bigger picture into account. He has very few holes to run through, he has found other ways to make big impacts on games when the run game hasn't been there. He is averaging 1.2 more yards per carry than the Saints backup RB. Kamara has also taken more goal line/short yardage carries than his backup Mike Gillislee. There simply haven't been many holes to run through to start the year. When this happens it doesn't matter who the RB is, they are going to struggle. Look at Gurley 2 years ago when he didn't have holes to run through. This year, I haven't seen a WR playing better than Michael Thomas, we will see if that continues, but regardless Thomas is likely a top 5. When Landry gets his first All-Pro selection, accounts for over 1,500 yards of offense in a season, gets 15 touchdowns in a season, and becomes the best in the NFL at forcing missed tackles, then we can certainly entertain the comparison between him and Kamara lol having a crappy backup doesnt make you a good player. Andsaying having less holes to run through isnt really context, saying something like in 2017 he faced one of the lowest %'s of 8 man boxes in the league and now teams have adjusted is. DO you think its really that unusual for elite backs to face stacked boxes? Thats what makes guys like Gurley and Bell so elite, they still produce despite of it. and the converation ends when you say no one is playing better than Michael thomas right now. The same guy averaging 10 yards a catch. BUT TOTALS BRO. good day sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, sammymvpknight said: Kamara is going to shatter the receiving records at RB this season, and he’ll do so without even looking like it’s hard. if he could only be a good runner youd have something real special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: if he could only be a good runner youd have something real special. Stop what you’re doing and actually watch the guy play instead of reading box scores. If you’re going to hold Kamara to the standard to guys who regularly get 20 carries per game when doing your box score scouting...perhaps we should hold every RB to Kamara’s standard as a receiver. Edited September 24, 2018 by sammymvpknight 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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