San Antonio attempting to land NFL team

[bzane]

18 minutes ago, DontTazeMeBro said:

Lol at “new stadium would be needed down the line.” No. New stadium would need to already be under construction when the team moved. No one is leaving to play in the Alamo Dome indefinitely.

 

I don't see why not!

It's one of those classic old ball parks, like Yankee Stadium or Fenway or Lambeau Field. You should see the locals lining up to get in, on Game Day!

[ninjapirate]

20 hours ago, PatriotsWin! said:

Jaguars are a potential candidate but they seem to be eyeing London already. Chargers in a few years if LA continues to ignore them. I don't see the NFL expanding anytime soon.

I dont think London is practical. 

[Blazer026]

Was hoping the Raiders would go there.

[riceman80]

29 minutes ago, ninjapirate said:

I dont think London is practical. 

Yeah i never understood this. The logistics of it alone would probably piss off the owners. Mexico City i could see but London is across an ocean on another continent.

I doubt this comes to fruition. Raiders are already committed to Vegas and building their stadium. Arizona i doubt cuz PHX is a huge market plus that's a brand new stadium. I doubt Cincy would ever go, at least while Brown is still in charge.

Chargers(if theyre not selling seats for the next 5-8 years and are rejected by LA) or the Jags. Jags to me are the most logical. Khan has the money for a relocation package, San Antonio is a bigger market than Jacksonville, and as i said, i just dont see how London is feasible. I think eventually the London idea will lose steam and they'll consider something in North America, either San Antonio or Mexico City. Logistically, you could put them in SA or MC and keep them in the AFC South as well so you dont have stupid divisional alignment as well.

But i'd put the odds at extremely low right now. Maybe the idea will pickup steam when the ridiculousness of London inevitably dies down tho.

[PatriotsWin!]

40 minutes ago, ninjapirate said:

I dont think London is practical. 

The Jags have one foot out the door already. They currently play multiple games a year in London and are committed to play even more 'home' games there. Even if they don't make the move full time it's already a burden back home, a new city like San Antonio would not be able to support a team that plays half it's games somewhere else.

[ninjapirate]

11 minutes ago, PatriotsWin! said:

The Jags have one foot out the door already. They currently play multiple games a year in London and are committed to play even more 'home' games there. Even if they don't make the move full time it's already a burden back home, a new city like San Antonio would not be able to support a team that plays half it's games somewhere else.

The jags would have to have 8 home games in a row and all those teams be on their bye week after then travel around the states to start and end the year. It's not practical.

[DigInBoys]

8 hours ago, Non-Issue said:

Stub Hub Center is a 27,000 seat stadium. And every week it is full of empty seats and opposing fans. Did you see the Chiefs game for gods sake??? It's only a 27,000 seat stadium (with tarped areas, mind you) and I am not sure if 10 Chargers fans showed up.



Even when they're the only ones that show up, Chargers fans might fill half the stadium. No owner or player wants to play 16 "away" games every year.

The NFL is losing money with the Chargers failings. The NFL image is losing prestige with the Chargers failings. And most importantly (as far as the topic is concerned) the Chargers franchise isn't upping its value by staying in LA. The franchise was valued at 2.03 billion dollars by Forbes before the move. After the first year the value rose to @ 2.275 billion. Not bad? Well how about this year? STILL at 2.275 billion. And this year they get to start paying that 650 million dollar relocation fee the NFL stuck them with after they couldnt convince Spanos to stay in San Diego and work it out. 

The value of the Rams franchise TRIPLED since moving to LA. They are now the 4th most valuable franchise in the NFL. The Chargers are LOSING money moving there. And there arent any signs that the bleeding is going to stop.

Nobody in LA gave a squirt of piss about the Chargers before they moved to LA. Nobody in LA wanted them. Not the NFL. Not Kroenke. Not the Angelinos. Nobody. And they still don't want the Chargers. They never will. 

The NFL is going to move the Chargers. The pressure is already building. They will find a fix. And it won't involve the Chargers in LA.

 

They won't move, I'm just going to copy and paste some posts I made on the subject  elswhere of the Chargers moving:

 

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Yes, the NFL in its obsession with money and popularity is going let the Chargers move back to San Diego, reducing the Chargers potential fanbase from 20 million people to 3 million(roughly speaking) where a publicly funded stadium will never happen.

 

The Chargers will never be able to build a fanbase? Tell that to the Clippers who for 30 years were the biggest joke in sports run by the worst ownership ever.

 

There's a reason the Jets, Mets, White Sox etc. have never left despite being the secondary teams.

 

The league and owners(who control the league) will never "force" a team to leave a larger market for a smaller market for the dangerous precedent it would set...for themselves. 

 

You're ignoring the social, political, and most importantly economic facts of the situation.

 

That's just not the way the real world works, especially not with the NFL in the 21st century.

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In an area with 20 million people, that supports 2 pro basketball teams, 3 baseball teams, 2 hockey teams, 2 soccer teams, which was able to support THREE NFL teams 30 years ago(before 2 terrible owners forced their way out of the area), in addition to countless minor and secondary teams, the Chargers won't be able to carve out a fanbase(Counting what they will retain from San Diego) and fill a stadium 8 times a year, got it.

 

No team is going to make more money being a San Diego team than it will an LA team, it's like saying water isn't wet.

 

I mean, that's the whole reason the Chargers moved in the first place..

 

 

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'm going to repeat what I said in the Angels thread.

 

The Chargers basically have a market from the Mexican border in the south to Santa Barbara in the North, stretching 230 miles North to South with 20 million people. 

 

20 million people.

 

With a brand new stadium being likened to the Death Star.

 

With the NFL's TV contact, and everything else that comes with being an NFL team.

 

They will not "fail".

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People care about the Clippers, and they were run by the worst owner in history and the biggest joke in sports for 30 years.

 

This isn't a Clippers/Lakers thing, where you've got the most glamorous franchise in the league and the biggest joke in the league sharing the city for decades.

 

The Rams have history, but 20 years is a long time for people to forget things and they were never as successful as the Lakers.

 

That's not even factoring the whole "People can have an NFC team and an AFC team" thing.

 

You've got two basketball teams , two hockey teams, two baseball teams, hell 2 soccer teams all with good fanbases.

 

Chargers just need time.

 

People are judging a move which should be analyzed over decades based on 2 years.

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Does it matter? As long as the money is green it doesn't make a difference to the bottom line.

 

The Chargers accountants aren't sitting there going, "Mr. Spanos, we looked at the books. Even though we've sold out our season tickets even with them being astronomically priced due to the size of Stubhub, it's a total disaster because not as high a proportion of Chargers fans bought tickets".

 

Building a fanbase takes time.

 

If anything, that should tell us that there are probably enough fans of every NFL team in the market to help sell plenty of tickets to fans of opposing teams for the 8 home games a year. They won't be paying with monopoly money.

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Now for the Clippers. The Chargers aren't the Clippers for the reasons I outlined previously but let's say for argument's sake they are.

 

Let's say you guys are right, and I concede that the Chargers are destined to be the football equivalent of the Clippers.

 

That means they are destined to:

 

1. Be one of the 10 most valuable franchises in the league, and one of the most profitable.

 

2. Have a reliable fan base and move plenty of merchandise.

 

3. Be a team who is perennially top 10 in attendance in their good years and still fill over 90% capacity in their down years(looking at the last decade or so)

 

4. Stay in the market and begin planning their own stadium.

 

If that's the logic being applied here for the Chargers having a good chance of LEAVING, then I'd say merely being condescending is quite generous.

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So between the hundreds of millions they would likely lose(NFL G-4 loan for the LA stadium, LA relocation fee, moving costs to LA then San Antonio, overall money invested in LA) plus funding for a stadium in San Antonio when one is being built in LA etc. they would do all that in order to move from the 2nd largest market to the 25th?

 

Makes sense.

 

[Dr LBC]

You can take it to the bank, the NFL will force the Spanos family out as owners of the Chargers before they'll let that second team move out of the LA market; the money is just plain too lucrative for the rest of them via shared revenue.  Not to mention the optics of them (league) being adamant about putting two teams back in the market and then allowing one of them to leave less than 20-25 years later again is something they won't endure.

It may piss people in other markets off that the league and owners will cowtow to an LA market over others that fans or folks on here may consider "more deserving," but these owners ultimately care about $$$ and the money is flatly better for them having 2 teams in LA than 1 team in LA and another team in _____ that isn't some international locale (most of which aren't logistically do-able) like London or Hong Kong.

[Dr LBC]

10 hours ago, Non-Issue said:

But the stands arent packed. They arent going to be packed. And they stand a better chance of being packed in a stadium in another city.

But the tickets are sold; ticket resale agencies are easily 30% (that's a low-ball figure) of current Chargers season ticket holders at StubHub Center.  Spanos and the league (honestly more so from an optics perspective right now - we'll see how the attendance numbers go when the move in as renters into Inglewood) could really care less if people actually show up to the games as long as the tickets are sold.

[Sugashane]

On 11/3/2018 at 10:39 PM, DigInBoys said:

They won't. For a lot of reasons I don't want to get into, they won't. Cincinnati or Jacksonville are more likely to move.

 

CIN is the only one I can see moving. I think only CIN and WAS have home attendance under 80% this year for established teams (LAR don't count as they are new there, already committed and a huge stadium to fill).

 

CIN might be able to boost hope by getting rid of Lewis though at HC. Who knows?

[TheKillerNacho]

5 hours ago, The LBC said:

You can take it to the bank, the NFL will force the Spanos family out as owners of the Chargers before they'll let that second team move out of the LA market; the money is just plain too lucrative for the rest of them via shared revenue.  Not to mention the optics of them (league) being adamant about putting two teams back in the market and then allowing one of them to leave less than 20-25 years later again is something they won't endure.

It may piss people in other markets off that the league and owners will cowtow to an LA market over others that fans or folks on here may consider "more deserving," but these owners ultimately care about $$$ and the money is flatly better for them having 2 teams in LA than 1 team in LA and another team in _____ that isn't some international locale (most of which aren't logistically do-able) like London or Hong Kong.

The NFL didn't want the Chargers in LA, though. Most owners wanted only one team in LA, the Rams, which is why they made the additional penalty on Spanos if he did decide to move.

How is having a team in LA with no fan support whatsoever good monetarily? Yes, LA is a fantastic market but you've already tapped that with the Rams, who frankly need space to grow into their market.

[INbengalfan]

5 hours ago, Sugashane said:

CIN is the only one I can see moving. I think only CIN and WAS have home attendance under 80% this year for established teams (LAR don't count as they are new there, already committed and a huge stadium to fill).

 

CIN might be able to boost hope by getting rid of Lewis though at HC. Who knows?

Mike Brown and his loyalty would not leave.  he turned down Baltimore.  say what you want about how bad of an owner he is, but that loyalty streak is real.  (See: Lewis, Marvin: employment)

[mistakey]

On 11/3/2018 at 11:02 PM, JetsandI said:

Cool... Why don't Giants move over there.   Gotham City belongs to Jets.

lol no they dont

[YogiBiz]

All I gotta say is, San Antonio Raiders sounds better than Las Vegas Raiders lol

[Roninho]

Would the finances of the Rams stadium still work if the Chargers move out of LA? I do not know the details, but i assume they split the investment or the Chargers pay a big yearly rental fee?