skibrett15 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I've recently come to the conclusion that the best FA pass rusher we will be in the market for is Clay Matthews. Guy is still a fine 2nd guy. He needs to play fewer snaps and manage his health (always has tbh), but he has more upside than most of these FA pass rushers. Go ahead, fire away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, skibrett15 said: I've recently come to the conclusion that the best FA pass rusher we will be in the market for is Clay Matthews. Guy is still a fine 2nd guy. He needs to play fewer snaps and manage his health (always has tbh), but he has more upside than most of these FA pass rushers. Definitely agree when you put that in bold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Definitely agree when you put that in bold. feels like we will be in the market for the 2nd and 3rd tier only. So I'd rather have matthews than say... ancient Terrell Suggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I've recently come to the conclusion that the best FA pass rusher we will be in the market for is Clay Matthews. Guy is still a fine 2nd guy. He needs to play fewer snaps and manage his health (always has tbh), but he has more upside than most of these FA pass rushers. Go ahead, fire away. He's old and done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I've recently come to the conclusion that the best FA pass rusher we will be in the market for is Clay Matthews. Guy is still a fine 2nd guy. He needs to play fewer snaps and manage his health (always has tbh), but he has more upside than most of these FA pass rushers. Go ahead, fire away. He hasn't been any good since Dr. Neal and his bag full of roids left town. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I've recently come to the conclusion that the best FA pass rusher we will be in the market for is Clay Matthews. Guy is still a fine 2nd guy. He needs to play fewer snaps and manage his health (always has tbh), but he has more upside than most of these FA pass rushers. Go ahead, fire away. um, nope. No. He's not good at anything anymore. He can't win with his speed, agility, or power anymore. He doesn't have a go-to move. He's gotten pressure mostly from just being unblocked on stunts or protection breakdowns. He's not it anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, rcon14 said: um, nope. No. He's not good at anything anymore. He can't win with his speed, agility, or power anymore. He doesn't have a go-to move. He's gotten pressure mostly from just being unblocked on stunts or protection breakdowns. He's not it anymore And what's being forgotten in his statement is "that we will be in the market for." Every pass rusher better than him is going to price themselves out of Green Bay. Clay Matthews is a damn fine 3rd option, and you won't find many third string pass rushers better than him. Plus, he's fully capable of being more than serviceable at ILB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: And what's being forgotten in his statement is "that we will be in the market for." Every pass rusher better than him is going to price themselves out of Green Bay. Clay Matthews is a damn fine 3rd option, and you won't find many third string pass rushers better than him. Plus, he's fully capable of being more than serviceable at ILB. You have no idea if this is going to be true. Is it possible? Yeah. Don't use absolutes for something we don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, rcon14 said: You have no idea if this is going to be true. Is it possible? Yeah. Don't use absolutes for something we don't know. You just used an absolute by saying we don't know it. That's as absolute as me saying we do know it. It wasn't an extreme statement of fact, it was a statement of opinion with the "in my opinion" assumed. I didn't say, "It is an absolute, irrefutable fact beyond a shadow of doubt that we won't be in the market for other players." in my opinion, we will not be in the market for a better pass rusher. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: You just used an absolute by saying we don't know it. That's as absolute as me saying we do know it. Absolutely. I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I've recently come to the conclusion that the best FA pass rusher we will be in the market for is Clay Matthews. Guy is still a fine 2nd guy. He needs to play fewer snaps and manage his health (always has tbh), but he has more upside than most of these FA pass rushers. Go ahead, fire away. Where do you see upside? He's got just 16 sacks over the last 3 years and has struggled badly at beating his man. On top of stinking as a pass rusher last year he stunk in run support. He plays like he's 35 or 36 (and Not Cameron Wake or Terrell Suggs 35 or 36). He hasn't been all that effective since moving back to OLB full time. If he's brought back he needs to be played in the middle exlusively. The days of him beig a starting caliber OLB are long gone IMO. He's not explosive enough anymore and his body can't take the abuse. Even if Jadeveon Clowny, Demarcus Lawrence, Trey Flowers, Frank Clark and Dee Ford are franchised there are better options than CM3. Brandon Graham is a better all around player. Anthony Barr is a younger more explosive player. Preston Smith and ZaDarius Smith are younger players who have been every bit as productive as CM3. Dante Fowler and Shaq Barrett are young guys who haven't gotten a whole lot of oppurtunity. If we don't care about age, guys like Suggs and Wake are substantially better pass rushers than CM3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: And what's being forgotten in his statement is "that we will be in the market for." Every pass rusher better than him is going to price themselves out of Green Bay. Clay Matthews is a damn fine 3rd option, and you won't find many third string pass rushers better than him. Plus, he's fully capable of being more than serviceable at ILB. Can't say that with certainty at this point. Gutey had a truckload of cash waiting for Mack even before Cobb and Matthews were presumed gone. Not to mention there are a lot of pass rushers that are better than him at this point. Shoot Fackrell is better. Edited February 19, 2019 by Arthur Penske Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Arthur Penske said: He's old and done. I'm older than Clay. I googled it. Thanks for ruining my day. I'm old as **** now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Norm said: I'm older than Clay. I googled it. Thanks for ruining my day. I'm old as **** now Can you rush off the edge tho? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: And what's being forgotten in his statement is "that we will be in the market for." Every pass rusher better than him is going to price themselves out of Green Bay. Clay Matthews is a damn fine 3rd option, and you won't find many third string pass rushers better than him. Plus, he's fully capable of being more than serviceable at ILB. We already have a 3rd option, Kyler Sackrell. Problem is we need a 1 and 2 option. I have no problem with Clay being on our team, but it's hard to imagine he'd agree to play for the peanuts I'd offer him at this point. The guy simply can't get home off the edge anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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