Superman(DH23) Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, Chiefer said: If Drew Brees gets the MVP itll be like Tommy Lee Jones getting an academy award over Val Kilmer I dont get it? Jones is a much better actor than Kilmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, Superman(DH23) said: I dont get it? Jones is a much better actor than Kilmer? He is talking about the old Batman movie, but its a really obscure reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Well I know about the old Batman movie, but I dont see how that relates to an oscar? I mean I was in HS for Batman Forever. Is he saying neither guy is MVP worthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Reread these and see the change in tone: 1. Its a life time acheivement 2. Mahomes is very arguably 3. They are close Whatever buddy. I think you realized how wrong you are in your "100% truth" comment. You are probably to stubborn to admit you are wrong, so I will take your backtracking as a small victory. Yeah, there's no backtracking at any point. I've been consistent all along. Mahomes will be in the running with Brees. Brees will win it as a lifetime achievement MVP. That doesn't mean that Brees has no claim to the MVP. What it means is that Brees played well enough to be in the argument and that will be what gives him the edge. I'm hardly the only person who recognizes that. It's like the Peyton Manning MVP flowchart. You always knew Peyton would get the edge if he and another player were close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, 49erurtaza said: I just want to say Mahomes Currently has 37 TDs 3600 yards and 10 int. Brees has 25 TDs 2900 hards and 1 int. This is flawed because those stats are for Mahomes at 11 games while Brees still has only played 10. That's like adding in career playoff numbers and trying to use those numbers as an argument as to why player A who went to the playoffs every years is better than player B who never made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I rather Mahomes win it. Than see that old scrub get it because of a World Vision tour that he deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I don't know what it is with Rams fans and Brees. I know it got nasty down in NO, but don't hold grudges bro. Yes, if it's close, I expect Brees to get the nod. But he legitimately has a strong case regardless in that he is on pace for ridiculous efficiency stats, and an all time low turnover count. The problem with Brees, is that one multi-INT game form here on out will essentially be giving the MVP to Mahomes. Whereas Mahomes can have a bad game or two and still put up bulk numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: I don't know what it is with Rams fans and Brees. I know it got nasty down in NO, but don't hold grudges bro. Yes, if it's close, I expect Brees to get the nod. But he legitimately has a strong case regardless in that he is on pace for ridiculous efficiency stats, and an all time low turnover count. The problem with Brees, is that one multi-INT game form here on out will essentially be giving the MVP to Mahomes. Whereas Mahomes can have a bad game or two and still put up bulk numbers. You're agreeing with the point I'm making. I'm not sure how that's holding a grudge (unless you're talking to Rammy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: I don't know what it is with Rams fans and Brees. I know it got nasty down in NO, but don't hold grudges bro. Yes, if it's close, I expect Brees to get the nod. But he legitimately has a strong case regardless in that he is on pace for ridiculous efficiency stats, and an all time low turnover count. The problem with Brees, is that one multi-INT game form here on out will essentially be giving the MVP to Mahomes. Whereas Mahomes can have a bad game or two and still put up bulk numbers. Napoleon syndrome. Your team and QB are better than theirs and it bruises their ego. They cant look forward to their future without peeing on your present. Trust me, having gone through Eagles fans and Daks rookie year, I can spot jealousy when I see it. Especially when its unwarranted envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrry32 said: You're agreeing with the point I'm making. Yes, but I'll take it one step further and say I see nothing wrong with that. Though I'd rather see Co-MVP in the event of a "tie" It's all subjective, and really has no bearing on anything important. It's not like we're handing Brees the Lombardi here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I’d say Mahomes MVP case would be best to include everything except the MNF game against the Rams. Not based on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Well I agree with whoever said the MNF game neither helped nor hurt Mahomes, but re-affirmed the efficiency vs bulk stats battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 It’s kinda hard for Saints fans hearing for years that bulk stats aren’t important and using it as a chance to discredit Brees, but here Brees is being the most efficient QB (I think) of all time and he doesn’t have the bulk stays to gain forum wide repect. Most gonna be a salty award ceremony regardless of what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckweath Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 The game against the Rams didn't help Mahomes's MVP case because he lost. Had he won, even with 5 turnovers, it would have helped his case. I would like to say that I feel like he was somewhat unlucky with those turnovers. I mean losing the ball on those two fumbles, the INT by Ebukam and the one where he got hit by Ebukam too I belive. Sure, the Rams forced those "mistakes" but usually you don't lose the ball everytime like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dome said: It’s kinda hard for Saints fans hearing for years that bulk stats aren’t important and using it as a chance to discredit Brees, but here Brees is being the most efficient QB (I think) of all time and he doesn’t have the bulk stays to gain forum wide repect. Most gonna be a salty award ceremony regardless of what happens It's irony at it's finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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