big_palooka Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: What's Grier's negatives? Doesn't have elite arm strength and his mechanics and throwing motion are a mess at time.Mostly, it's that he plays in WV's spread out of the shotgun and gets a lot of easy looks. For me, just looking at traits, he looks poise and agile in the pocket. Anticipates throws and drops them in with velocity, but now wow arm strength. Needs to get a little stronger and thicker in the body. Mechanics can be coached if he wants to work on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 FWIW Drew Lock is bascially a Carr clone. Big arm, makes some bad decisions at times. Get frantic in the pocket. Every time I watch him, I just see Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I'm torn between Q and Allen. If Bosa is gone and it's between Allen and Q Williams my gut says go with the best now at the highest level which is Q. Allen has potiential and is more suited to what we need which is an outside pass rusher. I'm sure the combine will solidify it more but I just think the De's will not drop to our later picks but DT's will. EDIT So what order would you want and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer026 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: FWIW Drew Lock is bascially a Carr clone. Big arm, makes some bad decisions at times. Get frantic in the pocket. Every time I watch him, I just see Carr Exactly what I think when I watch him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, G said: I'm torn between Q and Allen. If Bosa is gone and it's between Allen and Q Williams my gut says go with the best now at the highest level which is Q. Allen has potiential and is more suited to what we need which is an outside pass rusher. I'm sure the combine will solidify it more but I just think the De's will not drop to our later picks but DT's will. EDIT So what order would you want and why? Bosa WIlliams Allen I value interior pressure over outside. Williams and Allen both have potential to be top 10 at their positions imo, but I just love the idea of solidifying our interior with Williams, Hurst, Hall and Hankins/Jelly. Target an edge guy at #24 then a Harry/Metcalf/Jacobs at #27 depending on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: FWIW Drew Lock is bascially a Carr clone. Big arm, makes some bad decisions at times. Get frantic in the pocket. Every time I watch him, I just see Carr I see cutler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I see cutler Nah cutler had a top 5 arm but bottom 10 head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OG_C2X Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I dont love Q. I don't really get the obsession with him. I see him as slightly above average. I was more impressed with Hurst then Q coming out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Thoughts on NKeal Harry with one of our late firsts? Can go get the ball and is a YAC machine. Seems like the sort of WR Carr (or a young QB) would love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 17 hours ago, OG_C2X said: I am a big Will Grier fan. But i am still riding with Carr. I think its likely he will never have another year like 2016. But i firmly believe he will consistently will be ranked just outside of the top 10 qb in the league for the next 10 years. And if we can get hin some consistency while surrounding him with some talent and field a defense that makes some plays then the raiders can compete year in and year out. Carr may not be great... but he is good enough. There's no reason for us to reach for a quarterback this year. We need to continue to build through the draft this offseason and should build a team that a franchise QB can win with. This year will be very big for Carr because if he doesn't play well we're likely going to move on and look to draft a QB next year. I'd much rather draft Tua, Herbert, or Fromm next year than Haskins or Murray this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Haskins just seems like a product of the system seems like fools gold not really battle tested to me. I’ll have to watch more but he’s just completely folded in some games. He should’ve stayed one more year imo. I've seen others voice similar concerns stating that he had all day to throw and was surrounded by an elite team. One of the things that makes Haskins so intriguing to me though is that he absolutely destroyed the Big Ten passing records as a first-year starter. Drew Brees 1998 campaign at Purdue is largely considered the greatest season for a QB in conference history. During that season he passed for 3,983 yards and 39 TDs, Haskins passed for 4,831 yards and 50 TDs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, Silver&Black88 said: Thoughts on NKeal Harry with one of our late firsts? Can go get the ball and is a YAC machine. Seems like the sort of WR Carr (or a young QB) would love. I'd be happy with him, I've seen him compared to Bolden and JuJu. We desperately need a young #1 to replace Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OG_C2X Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Silver&Black88 said: Thoughts on NKeal Harry with one of our late firsts? Can go get the ball and is a YAC machine. Seems like the sort of WR Carr (or a young QB) would love. He is a must have for me. I love him as a prospect. I think he is a MThomas type of player. I am all in on him. I would take him at 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 9 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Ijs if we draft a qb for me it’s either Murray or Grier I want Kyler Murray at 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: I want Kyler Murray at 4 Are you outside of your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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