Around The League V.2

[BackinBlack]

I .now wouldnt say this is a great game from their D, but its still the strength of their team.
the pick 6 will cost them the game. 

no one will say this was the saints best game of the season though they did their job against a good O. 

[RaidersAreOne]

Foster just dropped the game tying TD on 3rd and goal.

[NickButera]

That was a good game. Horrible way to lose, I feel bad for Foster, he just dropped it. 

[agarcia34]

38 minutes ago, agarcia34 said:

This is where Carr does his best work fall behind two TDs grab some garbage stats and attempt a comeback. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t 

Different movie director same ending 

[raidr4life]

4 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said:

Foster just dropped the game tying TD on 3rd and goal.

Like he did when he had a chance to be Wallers replacement.

[NCOUGHMAN]

31 minutes ago, BackinBlack said:

because the D is forcing quick possessions from Jax giving the ball bak to their O quick. 

are you really comparing our D last year to NO? 

You’d be arguing about us giving up 30 and I’d be arguing we only gave up 24 lol

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, dante9876 said:

Those 3 main Carr defenders won't touch this. Lolol. 

@Frankie2Gunz @Jeremy408 @Humble_Beast

[raidr4life]

1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said:

Foster just dropped the game tying TD on 3rd and goal.

Now I happy Foster beat his Cancer, but people actually thought he was a starting caliber TE, he had his chance when Waller was hurt and we watched him drop pass after pass at the wrong time. Then people wanted to resign him at the end of the season.

[Jeremy408]

34 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

@Frankie2Gunz @Jeremy408 @Humble_Beast

 

[Styrian Raider]

4 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Is it really wishful thinking though? 

There have only been 58 Superbowls. 

Of those, 5 non-first rounders have won one. 

Brady won 7. His opponents included: Undrafted QBs Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme, 1st rounder Donovan McNabb, 3rd rounder Russell Wilson, 1st rounder Matt Ryan, 1st rounder Jared Goff, 1st rounder Patrick Mahomes. 

That leaves 51 other Superbowls. 

Brady lost to 1st rounder Eli twice. 49 left. 

Brady lost to 4th rounder Nick Foles. 48. 

So in Brady's 10 appearances, roughly 1/6 of all Superbowls, the opposing starting QB was likewise a non-first rounder in 40% of them. A non 1st rounder was guaranteed to win there no matter the outcome. 

Anyway, 47 Superbowls left to go. 

Superbowl 48 was won by Wilson. 46 left. 

Superbowl 44 was won by 2nd rounder Drew Brees. Down to 45. 

Superbowl 37 saw 9th rounder Brad Johnson beat 4th rounder Rich Gannon. Down to 44. 

Superbowl 34 saw Undrafted Kurt Warner win. Down to 43. 

There's no point going all the way back to Superbowl 1 anymore. Since the year 2000, we have seen 24 Superbowl games played, and half were won by a non-1st eound QB. Even adjusting for Brady, nearly half of the QBs he played against were non 1st rounders. You'd be ever so slightly under a 50/50 toss up at absolute best at that rate. 

Then you have some other nuggets:

Last year, 2nd rounder Hurts was a mere 3 points away from winning one- and nobody would've been shocked had the Eagles won. 

In Superbowl 47, 3rd rounder Colin Kaepernick was 3 points and some questionable antics away from a win. 

In Superbowl 43, Warner was literally mere inches from a 2nd ring. 

Sueprbowl 40 was a travesty and crime committed by Bill Leavy's crew that stole a ring from 6th rounder Matt Hasselbeck. 

In 4 more games, a non-1st rounder very easily could have hoisted the Lombardi, making a theoretical 16/24 rings since 2000 going to non-1st rounders. 

Oh, and one game was won by Trent Dilfer and shouldn't even count as a QB win. 

There's simply no proof that non-1st round QBs have a harder time than 1st round QBs at winning a Superbowl. Considering that Peyton, Eli, and Patrick account for 6 of the 12 1st round winners (with Brady Jimmy G, and Jalen making up 3 of the opponents)...it's actually the opposite, and had Jimmy and Brady not lost 3 of those 4 games, and the wonky ones above been won by Hurts, Kaepernick, Warner, amd Hasselbeck, then non-1st round QBs would have been absolutely dominating the field over the last 24 Superbowls.

Really it doesn't even matter by how much because the fact remains that at bare minimum it's a 50/50 based on what in fact occurred. We can add or subtract any variable hypothetical all day, it would only benefit non-1st round QBs if equally applied. 

The idea a 1st round QB is needed for a ring is baseless. It's nonsense. It's a narrative that gets pushed when someone just wants a 1st round QB because that's the flavor of the week. Statistically, since the millennium clock rolled over, it's more likely to be in a spot to win a Superbowl without a 1st round QB at the helm- 12 wins and several more opportunities. 

I'm not even opposed to grabbing a 1st rounder because why not. Plus, I like McCarthy and Penix and doubt they fall to the 2nd. But this notion of needing a 1st round QB....nah, that talks gotta stop. 

sounds almost like a QB alone won't win you a Super Bowl 😉

[NickButera]

5 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Is it really wishful thinking though? 

There have only been 58 Superbowls. 

Of those, 5 non-first rounders have won one. 

Brady won 7. His opponents included: Undrafted QBs Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme, 1st rounder Donovan McNabb, 3rd rounder Russell Wilson, 1st rounder Matt Ryan, 1st rounder Jared Goff, 1st rounder Patrick Mahomes. 

That leaves 51 other Superbowls. 

Brady lost to 1st rounder Eli twice. 49 left. 

Brady lost to 4th rounder Nick Foles. 48. 

So in Brady's 10 appearances, roughly 1/6 of all Superbowls, the opposing starting QB was likewise a non-first rounder in 40% of them. A non 1st rounder was guaranteed to win there no matter the outcome. 

Anyway, 47 Superbowls left to go. 

Superbowl 48 was won by Wilson. 46 left. 

Superbowl 44 was won by 2nd rounder Drew Brees. Down to 45. 

Superbowl 37 saw 9th rounder Brad Johnson beat 4th rounder Rich Gannon. Down to 44. 

Superbowl 34 saw Undrafted Kurt Warner win. Down to 43. 

There's no point going all the way back to Superbowl 1 anymore. Since the year 2000, we have seen 24 Superbowl games played, and half were won by a non-1st eound QB. Even adjusting for Brady, nearly half of the QBs he played against were non 1st rounders. You'd be ever so slightly under a 50/50 toss up at absolute best at that rate. 

Then you have some other nuggets:

Last year, 2nd rounder Hurts was a mere 3 points away from winning one- and nobody would've been shocked had the Eagles won. 

In Superbowl 47, 3rd rounder Colin Kaepernick was 3 points and some questionable antics away from a win. 

In Superbowl 43, Warner was literally mere inches from a 2nd ring. 

Sueprbowl 40 was a travesty and crime committed by Bill Leavy's crew that stole a ring from 6th rounder Matt Hasselbeck. 

In 4 more games, a non-1st rounder very easily could have hoisted the Lombardi, making a theoretical 16/24 rings since 2000 going to non-1st rounders. 

Oh, and one game was won by Trent Dilfer and shouldn't even count as a QB win. 

There's simply no proof that non-1st round QBs have a harder time than 1st round QBs at winning a Superbowl. Considering that Peyton, Eli, and Patrick account for 6 of the 12 1st round winners (with Brady Jimmy G, and Jalen making up 3 of the opponents)...it's actually the opposite, and had Jimmy and Brady not lost 3 of those 4 games, and the wonky ones above been won by Hurts, Kaepernick, Warner, amd Hasselbeck, then non-1st round QBs would have been absolutely dominating the field over the last 24 Superbowls.

Really it doesn't even matter by how much because the fact remains that at bare minimum it's a 50/50 based on what in fact occurred. We can add or subtract any variable hypothetical all day, it would only benefit non-1st round QBs if equally applied. 

The idea a 1st round QB is needed for a ring is baseless. It's nonsense. It's a narrative that gets pushed when someone just wants a 1st round QB because that's the flavor of the week. Statistically, since the millennium clock rolled over, it's more likely to be in a spot to win a Superbowl without a 1st round QB at the helm- 12 wins and several more opportunities. 

I'm not even opposed to grabbing a 1st rounder because why not. Plus, I like McCarthy and Penix and doubt they fall to the 2nd. But this notion of needing a 1st round QB....nah, that talks gotta stop. 

This is littered with self contradictions.

[ronjon1990]

16 minutes ago, Styrian Raider said:

sounds almost like a QB alone won't win you a Super Bowl 😉

Yeah I've always hated that trope. It's illogical. By all accounts Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees should have won more than 2 combined if that were the case. 

A good QB helps. But it's notnthe be all, end all. Great QBs lose Superbowls too- Brady lost more Suoerbowls than almost anyone else has won. Roethlisberger lost one. Mahomes lost one. 

The idea QBs alone win Superbowls totally ignores that another QB will lose every Superbowl, and they could be one of the best QBs ever. 

Great defenses usually win them. Every now and then a team with a brilliant offense will squeeze one out. But the only trope I regularly attest to is that "Defense wins championship". 

Now, an objectively bad QB can absolutely cut someone off at the knees. Not a Defense or supporting cast in this league would be able to drag Nathan Peterman or Ryan Lindley to a Suprrbowl. But a great QB isn't required, just a decent one. Build a team, find a QB. There's a lot more good ones than great ones.

Problem is a lot of people see a decent QB make a Superbowl, or win one, and immediately shive them into the unquestionably great category- perpetuating the idea you need a great one to win it.

Russell Wilson was never a great QB. His game always had flaws people didn't want to admit- too much freelancing, too much hero ball, too much running around putting his team in bad situations on key downs. But he put up some good stats from a fantasy perspective and he rode a great defense and run game to a ring so all.was forgiven and he was great. 

Foles? Not great. 

Flacco? Nope. 

Eli? No chance. 

Stafford? Dude is slightly above average and a volume stuffer on his best day. 

So on, so forth. 

Goff was seen as a bottom 1/3 QB by a lot of people when he got shipped to Detroit. He was "mid", he was average or even below average, a near bust, 100% system QB riding McVay's coattails. People largely laughed and presumed he'd be a backup by year 2 on his 3rd or 4th team. I guarantee had the Rams won that Superbowl against the Patriots, very few would've made such a bold projection and the narrative would've been "What the hell is LA doing trading a Superbowl winning QB for Stat Padford?". And yet, Goff looks better in Detroit than Stafford does in LA, imo. 

Crazy how much stock people put into just one aspect of a QB's career. 

[ronjon1990]

2 minutes ago, NickButera said:

This is littered with self contradictions.

Ok, so tell me precisely what is incorrect. I'll wait. 

And be specific regarding the premise that 1st round QBs are more likely to win a Superbowl.  None of NYRaider style jumping around and moving the goalposts. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by ronjon1990

[NickButera]

Just now, ronjon1990 said:

Ok, so tell me precisely what is incorrect. I'll wait. 

You literally posted a slew of examples where non first round QBs couldn't get over the line and get the ring and then said there's no proof non first round QBs can't get rings. 

[ronjon1990]

6 minutes ago, NickButera said:

You literally posted a slew of examples where non first round QBs couldn't get over the line and get the ring and then said there's no proof non first round QBs can't get rings. 

 Providing a list of non 1st round QBs who get over the line and win a Superbowl and sying there is no proof non 1st round QBs can't get rings isn't a contradiction in any sense of the word. It is, literally speaking, the opposite of a contradiction. Or we're going to just ignore that part eh? 

You should consider a new profile pic after that take. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by ronjon1990