Jeezla Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Kiltman said: https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/3/5/17080498/nfl-draft-rumors-eagles-leighton-vander-esch-2018-nfl-draft-pick-boise-state-linebacker-philadelphia So basically pick 32 + Foles to Az for #15 aka Leighton Vander Esch and a 4th round pick aka Joseph Noteboom. I'd be cool with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlesthought Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Not high on LVE myself, he has effort, and seems to be around the ball. I don't think we have to move up for him. My concerns: He's going to really need to get in that weight room to play year 1. His burst isn't there. He may not be able to close vs the RBs in the NFCE (Zeke, Chris Thompson & possibly Barkley) I can't find a video of him being able to stack and shed. OL will get to him at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I swear you guys have only watched LVE's bowl game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlesthought Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I watched the Colorado State game as well where BSU got ran all over. https://youtu.be/PwgG_dxYc8I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Not So Quick Dream Mock Draft w/Trades Trades Foles traded to Az for #15 + #134 #15 + #134 + Mychal Kendricks traded to Buf for #22 + #56 #56 traded to Hou for #68 + #98 #32 Traded to SD for #48 + #84 Torrey Smith traded to Baltimore for a 7th Rodney McLeod traded to Chicago for a 6th Draft (The Dirty Dozen) 1-22 Leighton Vander Esch LB 2-48 DJ Moore WR 3-68 Dalton Schultz TE 3-84 Siran Neal S 3-98 Joseph Noteboom OT 4-131 Ade Aruna DE 4-132 Parry Nickerson CB 5-156 Wyatt Teller LG 5-169 Chase Edmunds RB 6 Kurt Benkert QB 6 Genard Avery LB 7 Johnny Townsend P UDFA DT Bilal Nichols DT Tony Guerad DT Adbullah Anderson QB Chase Litton WR Steven Dunbar CB Chris Jones CB Darious Williams DE Justin Lawler OG Matt Gono LB Matthew Thomas LB Skai Moore Let me dream. Comment on my dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, utley4568 said: I swear you guys have only watched LVE's bowl game. It's not always about how great the player is right now, but about how great they can become with a year or two of NFL coaching. Fletcher Cox wasn't dominating every game in college either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Is Matthew Thomas any good FSU fans? His combine was pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalamania Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Is Matthew Thomas any good FSU fans? His combine was pretty impressive. All the potential in the world but he's soft as hell for a linebacker and has zero instincts (feeling this is more of a confidence thing) - also, has a lot of injury concerns. He's be a nice project pick with a 5th or 6th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Remixxxxxxx said: 9 hours ago, TheRealMcCoy said: We don't have a 3rd round pick. never said we did nor that's where we would take him Thought it was obvious I was implying that's the highest we should take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Jeezla said: It's not always about how great the player is right now, but about how great they can become with a year or two of NFL coaching. Fletcher Cox wasn't dominating every game in college either. true, though positionally speaking DTs rarely are coming out...but I get what you're saying Some positions are easier to translate from college to the pros...like LBs and RBs more or less show you what they got, I feel like Lbs rarely come in and get amazing all of the sudden. Usually when it happens is when people don't trust the tape and knock them for other stuff like height or athleticism (see Burfict) Clay Matthews kinda was one i guess, but it's usually on the tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EAGLES3658 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I think Olines are going to eat Vander Esch up at the next level. Not saying he can't improve his ability to shed blocks but it seems many people are skeptical of him improving in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted March 6, 2018 Author Share Posted March 6, 2018 16 hours ago, Jeezla said: Is Matthew Thomas any good FSU fans? His combine was pretty impressive. Saw him in person a few times and pretty much haven't missed a FSU game in years. I would't draft MT earlier than the third day. He has never stood out as far as what I've seen. He's athletic but not sure he has the instincts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 8 hours ago, EAGLES3658 said: I think Olines are going to eat Vander Esch up at the next level. Not saying he can't improve his ability to shed blocks but it seems many people are skeptical of him improving in that area. I don't understand this. Every LB that isn't a DE convert has to learn how to shed blocks much better than they did in college. Kuechly had to learn. Bobby Wagner had to learn. Vander Esch will learn. Tremaine Edmunds will learn. Darius Leonard will learn. They might not be pro bowlers in their rookie seasons, because they don't have Kuechly's instincts/football iq, but they will eventually become good players. Or at least should. I promise you Tremaine Edmunds is going to get eaten up by OL his rookie year even worse than LVE, but he's still worth a top 10 pick because of what he could potentially become once he learns the game/gets coached up, and his athletic gifts can be fully utilized. In a way, LVE and Edmunds are the Josh Allen's of LB prospects. The peak of their mountains is very high, but they have a long climb to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Also, let's just say we did trade Foles for pick 15. I'm not LVE or bust at that spot, but I do think he's a valid option. I also wouldn't mind Davenport, Derwin, Edmunds, Roquan, or a trade down for Will Hernandez, Taven Bryan, Da'Ron Payne, Rashaan Evans, Isaiah Oliver, Jaire Alexander, Courtland Sutton, Guice, Ronnie Harrison, Lorenzo Carter, and maybe Dallas Goedert or DJ Moore. Derwin would be the bomb, although I do like Siran Neal a lot in round 3/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 18 hours ago, Jeezla said: It's not always about how great the player is right now, but about how great they can become with a year or two of NFL coaching. Fletcher Cox wasn't dominating every game in college either. Sure but Fletch flashed most games and had more than one dominant game. LVE has one game that makes me think he’s a legitimate NFL talent. Yeah I’m not taking him if we ended up at 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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