MKnight82 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: That's fine, pressure was something the Packers couldn't get last year regardless of what it was defined as. Ok, well if it’s defined as going weeks at a time not making any impact on a game then you got what you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: Ok, well if it’s defined as going weeks at a time not making any impact on a game then you got what you wanted. Causing a QB to get rid of the ball early - isnt "not making any impact on a game". It shortens his progressions/reads and helps the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, incognito_man said: no, not really watch far, far fewer prospect cut-ups than I did a few years ago though It's not even about prospect watching tbh. Like if those guys were Days 2/3 or even 2nd round picks I'd understand. But to not even recognize recent 1st rounders... Dunno. Shocking to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: Ok, well if it’s defined as going weeks at a time not making any impact on a game then you got what you wanted. We'll be fine. Decrease the amount of time a QB has to throw the ball and Jaire, Jackson and King will finally get chances to make plays on the ball. Both Smith's are exactly the edge players Pettine wants in his system. Smith is exactly what we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, CWood21 said: Except that isn't the case. The argument at the end of the season is this player worth their cap hit? If the answer is no, the next question is does it make sense to release the player? If you incur a bigger dead cap than their current cap hit, you're going to hold onto that player until the players' contract creates cap space by releasing them. FA contracts are usually backloaded as is, so you're eating the dead cap in order to clear salary. He's not going to see the entirety of his contract IMO, so the less the guarantees the better. But the player does cost that amount of cap during the year which DOES include non guaranteed money. So its not irrelevant, the amount of non guaranteed money in the early years definitely impacts where you can spend the rest of the money on your roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Packerraymond said: They guaranteed 30% of the money in that deal. He'll be easy to cut after two years. 16m guaranteed for a rusher like Smith in this market is a total steal. That's less in 4 years than the AAV for an off ball linebacker. He’s a pass rusher who can’t get to the QB. Even with Kerrigan getting all the attention he still couldn’t get to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, lavar703 said: He’s a pass rusher who can’t get to the QB. Even with Kerrigan getting all the attention he still couldn’t get to the QB. Even with Kerrigan, Payne, Allen and Ioannidis getting all the attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadyToThump Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Even with Kerrigan, Payne, Allen and Ioannidis getting all the attention... It'll be interesting to see him in Pettines defense and he'll be working with ex-Chiefs OLB coach Mike Smith, who had a helluva year with Ford and Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Packerraymond said: I don't need to watch Redskins games, they total those stats for that very reason. Smith led the NFL in pressure rate. That's not a role player. That's because he came close to getting a sack a number of times. It's kind of like how Carlos Rogers had a ton of passes defensed for Washington. It was because he couldn't catch it with his stone hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Woz said: That's because he came close to getting a sack a number of times. It's kind of like how Carlos Rogers had a ton of passes defensed for Washington. It was because he couldn't catch it with his stone hands. If he has 0 sacks next year and leads the NFL in QB pressures again I'll be peachy as can be with this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If he has 0 sacks next year and leads the NFL in QB pressures again I'll be peachy as can be with this signing. To each their own ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Theyve essentially guaranteed him 20 million looking at the contract breakdown, and depending on if theyre willing to eat 8 million in dead cap you could actually jack that # up by another 16. Hes going to carry a 13.5 million cap hit in 2020... not saying this a bad signing but he has a lot to live up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 21 hours ago, MKnight82 said: But the player does cost that amount of cap during the year which DOES include non guaranteed money. So its not irrelevant, the amount of non guaranteed money in the early years definitely impacts where you can spend the rest of the money on your roster. Now that we have the details of the Preston Smith, we can analyze it a bit more. Since Preston has a $6M cap hit this year and $16M in dead cap, it's safe to say the Packers aren't releasing him. After next year, his cap hit balloons to $13.5M and his dead cap would be $12M. After you figure a minimum replacement, the Packers really only save $1M by releasing him after next offseason. Unless he's horribly, horribly bad, he's going to be back after next year. Going into 2021, the Packers can save $8M by releasing him which would be enough incentive for the Packers to release him if he's not producing. So that in essence becomes a 2 year, $27.5M deal at that point which comes down to $13.75M per year. Since Trey Flowers was the "top" EDGE on the market, let's use him for comparison. The Lions would have to eat more money if they released him after Y1 or Y2. Before Y3, they could release him saving roughly $2.5M once you factor in his replacement. That would make the Lions' deal roughly 2 years, $40M and they only save $3M if they release him after Y2. If they release him after Y3, that would make it a 3 year, $54.4M or roughly $18M/year. That's why guarantees are really the only thing that matters. There's maybe a 5% chance that Preston Smith is a Packer beyond 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 17 hours ago, GSUeagles14 said: Theyve essentially guaranteed him 20 million looking at the contract breakdown, and depending on if theyre willing to eat 8 million in dead cap you could actually jack that # up by another 16. Hes going to carry a 13.5 million cap hit in 2020... not saying this a bad signing but he has a lot to live up to. It really doesn't. It's essentially a 2 year, $27.5M deal, which isn't a bad rate for signing an EDGE in FA. If the alternative was to pay out of the behind for Trey Flowers, I'll take Preston Smith easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 23 hours ago, Chiefer said: The packers new OLB coach is reallygood. He got Ford and Houston playing at a high level. Smith should do well there Thnx, this is good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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