Bitty 2.0 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Isn’t CeeDee Lamb known to be a partier? That’s not good for Las Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mr Raider said: I did a mock draft on TDN, and I think this is likely what I would consider a dream draft for us. Round 1, Pick 12 - CeeDee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma. He's my 5th ranked prospect in the entire draft (after Tua, Burrow, Young, and Simmons). I think he can win short, intermediate, and over the top even though he isn't a burner with his ability to go up and ****** the ball away. I think he's a perfect fit for our system and the guy we pray falls to 12. Round 1, Pick 19 - Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU - The more I watch Fulton the more I love his game. He's so sticky in man coverage. He's phenomenal at press, and even in off man he sticks to his guys like glue. I think he has the ability to thrive in the slot or on the boundary. I wish he had a bit better ball skills, but if he did he'd be a top 10 lock IMO. Round 3, Pick 80 - Darrell Taylor, Edge, Tennessee - Highly productive, good size, very good athlete when I watch him on tape. I believe he offers something different in comparison to the DE we have on the roster. He's fully capable of coming in year one as a situational rusher and being effective. I think his speed and burst off the edge is desperately needed when combined with the ends we already have on the roster we will have a fantastic combination of youth, experience, athleticism, strength, run defense, and pass rushing prowess. Round 3, Pick 81 - Jalen Hurts, QB, Oklahoma - My favorite QB in the draft after the two guys I feel confident will be franchise guys. To get Hurts in the third would be a fantastic idea. He has the upside in my evaluation to develop into a legitimate starting caliber, possible top 12 QB in the NFL. He has most of the traits I look for in a QB. Leadership, toughness, a ton of starting experience, played in big games, showed signs of development in every year, and he has very very good athleticism for his position. I think he could come in year one and make an impact in some subpackage situations, but even if year one is used as a redshirt year to work in his mechanics the investment is still worth it to me. He wouldn't be rushed to play. He'd have two real pros to sit behind and learn and come next season he could show what he's capable of after a season of working on mechanics. I saw enough improvement and some real accuracy last season to believe if put in an offense that highlights his skills he could be THE guy. At the very least he's a solid long term backup for the next 4 years and a potential trade chip if injury falls and he plays well. Round 3, Pick 91 - Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB, Appalachian State - LB was addressed in free agency (thank the good lord) but it isn't completely without questions. Kwit hasn't been a consistent starter and while he will be given every opportunity adding some more talent, speed, and playmaking ability at the LB spot is never a bad idea. ADG needs to add some weight and he's coming from less competition but the beauty of having guys like Littleton and Kwit on the team we don't have to force him into playing 75%+ of the snaps his rookie year. He can provide depth, play situationally as a blitzer, and matchup cover guy on tight ends and backs, and he can be an ace on special teams. Another guy that can provide depth to a team that needs it while also providing play in specific areas right off the bat. Not a prototypical SAM LB, but guys like him have a chance to really shine in today's NFL. Round 4, Pick 121 - Brandon Jones, S, Texas - Some may feel differently, but I absolutely LOVE this safety class, from the top to the guys expected to go in the mid rounds. And Jones is one of the guys I really like in this range. He's not the biggest, but his size isn't a liability. He's a terror coming downhill, a good tackler, and has a ton of experience playing a variety of roles. He needs some work in man coverage, but I believe he has the required athletic ability to be a positive in that area. I believe he could see a lot of playing time as the third safety, and another core special teams player. Round 5, Pick 159 - Lamical Perine, RB, Florida - Josh Jacob's was a sensation year one, the only real concerns we should have with him was that he wore down as the season went on because we lacked any real depth that could come in and run the ball effectively. Perine should ease those concerns. He can come in year one and keep the offense balanced with the ability to run the ball or catch it out of the backfield. Every rookie back needs to get better in pass protection and Perine is no exception. But a guy that can keep Jacob's fresh and effective down the stretch is a must. He fills that need. Thoughts? nice mock, covered all the needs. 3 players I really like (lamb,ADG,and perine) backup qb project, depth picks. very solid draft. I agree, maybe no blue chip safety but lots of value from rnds 2-4 to me. Edited April 2, 2020 by Devilshark69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, OG_C2X said: Is there a player in this draft that can play the SAM LB in the base and DE in Nickel. Similarly to how Von Miller was used when he played SAM in a 4-3 scheme. K'Lavon Chaisson, Zach Braun and Brandon Uche are the first names that stick out to me for that role. I like Baun a lot... He could be a sneaky pick at 19. I think that's exactly how we would use him. I even think he could be an effective MLB. Just a good football player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: Isn’t CeeDee Lamb known to be a partier? That’s not good for Las Vegas I'd imagine most high profile, skill position players at major programs could be described as a partier. The NFL is full of dudes that party. I think the Vegas angel is overblown. Guys in every NFL city could get in trouble with the liquor, drugs, and girls. Vegas might be slightly easier. I also don't think its fair to knock a guy for it if it hasn't caused him legal trouble, problems in the locker room, or effected his ability to preform on the field. None of those apply to Lamb. And I haven't even heard the heavy party reports from a bunch of sources. I first saw it on Walterfootball but it's not something I've heard a bunch of other media members mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, OG_C2X said: Is there a player in this draft that can play the SAM LB in the base and DE in Nickel. Similarly to how Von Miller was used when he played SAM in a 4-3 scheme. K'Lavon Chaisson, Zach Braun and Brandon Uche are the first names that stick out to me for that role. He's my pick at 19. I like what he can bring in that role and you he has a ton of upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: Isn’t CeeDee Lamb known to be a partier? That’s not good for Las Vegas Only place I've seen this is Walter football. Have you seen it mentioned anywhere else? Everything else has been about how he's all football, works hard and hates to lose. Also... the whole "not good for Vegas" thing is so misguided. Every city has places to party if you are the type to find it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: Isn’t CeeDee Lamb known to be a partier? That’s not good for Las Vegas There’s been some rumors. Idk I’d do really buy that narrative to much. It’s college who wasn’t partying? The interviews will determine the extent of these issues if they are even issues at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Raider said: I understand that... But he wasn't a guy you fed the ball consistently. He wasn't the guy you looked to on the tough 3rd and 6 type of situations... He would have huge games full of big plays, and games where he was totally taken out of the game. Would I be upset with Desean Jacksons career for the 12th pick? Absolutely not. But in this stacked class where I think you can get quite a few guys that can give you 900 yards a season in a specific way, but have holes in their game, I could see and agree with the idea of going a different direction at 12 and taking advantage of the depth at WR at 19 or in the second round after a trade down or trade up. I'm not calling Ruggs a bad player. I think he'll be a good one. But I think he'll win in a specific way and may struggle to make an impact weekly, especially against playoff teams that are going to be physical on the line with him and give ample help over the top. Ruggs won't need to be a guy that has to be fed the ball consistently to be effective. We can get him involved in a variety of ways including jet sweeps, reverses, out of the backfield, etc. Not to mention he was also effective on slants, crossing routes, and screens, so he's much more than just a deep threat. Waller is going to be our "1 WR" and will get a ton of targets, Williams was on pace to get around 90 targets during the first 5 weeks when he was healthy, and Renfrow averaged 7 targets per game during the final 6 weeks. Adding a guy like Ruggs would open up looks for the rest of our offense because he'd keep the defense honest with his speed. Look at Houston last season, Fuller didn't produce at an elite level but their offense was much better with him in the lineup just because of the looks his speed opened up for everyone else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 yep, believe I mentioned this a few pages back, nfl scouts see a guy who can defend the run, pass and pass rush in a pinch no problem. "swiss army knives are on the upturn, between offensive complexity and the ever present salary cap, guys like simmons, baun, chinn, dugger, adg, get a lot of love....makes sense to me.lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Only place I've seen this is Walter football. Have you seen it mentioned anywhere else? Everything else has been about how he's all football, works hard and hates to lose. Also... the whole "not good for Vegas" thing is so misguided. Every city has places to party if you are the type to find it. ive been stressing that last point ever since I moved to nola.lol ive lived there and vegas for 6 yrs + ….I know which parties harder, the one with quart bloddy marys at 10 AM! lmao! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: 900+ yards is not good 27 WRs did it last year. During his first 9 seasons, the 7 years he was healthy he averaged 60 catches for 1,085 yards (17.9 avg) and 6 TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I will say this , I wouldn't be unhappy to trot out Littleton, kwit and baun. would be the best lber corps since Thomas,beikert and Romanowski. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, big_palooka said: Only place I've seen this is Walter football. Have you seen it mentioned anywhere else? Everything else has been about how he's all football, works hard and hates to lose. Also... the whole "not good for Vegas" thing is so misguided. Every city has places to party if you are the type to find it. Absolutely bro..... back in the day I could Find trouble where ever I went. Didn’t matter one bit. It’s not like the players are living in hotels on the strip... their Gonna be living in boring suburb towns in the desert. Id say Miami is probably the only city thats legitimate a troublemaking area. Florida is wild man I could tell you stories for days.... weeks even. We use to score 150k in oxy and backpacks of guns... sometimes from cops back in the early 2010s. There ain’t a self destructive device that doesn’t exist in Miami. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Ruggs won't need to be a guy that has to be fed the ball consistently to be effective. We can get him involved in a variety of ways including jet sweeps, reverses, out of the backfield, etc. Not to mention he was also effective on slants, crossing routes, and screens, so he's much more than just a deep threat. Waller is going to be our "1 WR" and will get a ton of targets, Williams was on pace to get around 90 targets during the first 5 weeks when he was healthy, and Renfrow averaged 7 targets per game during the final 6 weeks. Adding a guy like Ruggs would open up looks for the rest of our offense because he'd keep the defense honest with his speed. Look at Houston last season, Fuller didn't produce at an elite level but their offense was much better with him in the lineup just because of the looks his speed opened up for everyone else. I don't disagree with your premise. The question is, is that worth the 12th pick in the draft over other players? Are there not guys that can take the top off the defense and be used on jet sweeps, reverses, etc that could accomplish the very same thing in the second or even third round in this draft? Even Jackson himself was a 2nd round pick. I'm not questioning Ruggs talent, or that he could be a great fit here, I'm questioning if the investment of the 12th overall pick worth it for a guy that isn't going to consistently win at every level of the field, is it worth it to take a guy that high if the plan isn't even for him to be the primary option of our passing game? Like IMO Lamb would instantly be our focal point of the passing game above Waller, because he can win on short routes with YAC, he can make contested catches to stretch the field, and he kills the intermediate stuff. He's a Deandre Hopkins type talent. You can add that to a guy like Waller and it opens up the entire offense as well. But I would trust Lamb more to pick up the cruical 3rd and 7 to convert with 2 minutes left to ice the game. I can get a guy like Hamler in the second that I could use for the deep shot, the end arounds and reverses, etc. It still opens up the offense the same way. The more I watch of Ruggs the more I like him. I won't be mad if he's the pick at 12, unless we take him over Lamb. There are multiple scenarios where I can see him as the right pick at 12. But I don't agree with taking him as the first WR off the board, especially if the evaluation is picking him based on the gadget stuff he can do and not his ability to win doing what WRs need to do far more often. Catch the football, convert first downs, and be a threat in the redzone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Devilshark69 said: ive been stressing that last point ever since I moved to nola.lol ive lived there and vegas for 6 yrs + ….I know which parties harder, the one with quart bloddy marys at 10 AM! lmao! NOLA's party scene makes Vegas look tame honestly. Vegas is flashy with the casinos and collective wealth. NOLA can eat you alive if you like to party. The NFL player in Vegas thing is so overblown. I'd be more worried about them gambling away their game day checks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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