jimkelly02 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Devilshark69 said: I will say this , I wouldn't be unhappy to trot out Littleton, kwit and baun. would be the best lber corps since Thomas,beikert and Romanowski. Thomas was my boy! Romo and Biekert too... Thomas was clamping down in coverage while Biekert knew your play before you called it and was a tank. Romo was the enforcer. Damn I miss those days! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, jimkelly02 said: Absolutely bro..... back in the day I could Find trouble where ever I went. Didn’t matter one bit. It’s not like the players are living in hotels on the strip... their Gonna be living in boring suburb towns in the desert. Id say Miami is probably the only city thats legitimate a troublemaking area. Florida is wild man I could tell you stories for days.... weeks even. We use to score 150k in oxy and backpacks of guns... sometimes from cops back in the early 2010s. There ain’t a self destructive device that doesn’t exist in Miami. lol... Miami and Florida on the whole is a terrifying place if you want to find trouble. Such a diverse city, coastal town with more drugs, money back alley BS than you could care to find. Another example of a place that make Vegas look mild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, NYRaider said: During his first 9 seasons, the 7 years he was healthy he averaged 60 catches for 1,085 yards (17.9 avg) and 6 TD. That's not exactly all world production... That's a dominant field stretcher and big play maker for sure. But it's not a guy that takes over games consistently. That's a season about 60 guys reach a year in today's NFL reception wise, 30 reach yardage wise, and another 40-45 reach TD wise. That's not dominant. Is that worth the 12th overall pick in an extremely deep WR class. I'm not sure it is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, big_palooka said: lol... Miami and Florida on the whole is a terrifying place if you want to find trouble. Such a diverse city, coastal town with more drugs, money back alley BS than you could care to find. Another example of a place that make Vegas look mild. My business partner owns a home in Vegas so I've been like 20 times during the last year and a half for work purposes. And to me the Vegas nightlife is overrated. The only reason you go out to the Strip is if you're ready to spend a ton of money and while I like Freemont Street/Downtown, I can get a similar night life experience minus the casinos in almost any other major city in the country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Raider said: That's not exactly all world production... That's a dominant field stretcher and big play maker for sure. But it's not a guy that takes over games consistently. That's a season about 60 guys reach a year in today's NFL reception wise, 30 reach yardage wise, and another 40-45 reach TD wise. That's not dominant. Is that worth the 12th overall pick in an extremely deep WR class. I'm not sure it is Ruggs value won't be just his production though, it'll be his ability to open up looks for the rest of the offense with his speed. Plus I'm sure we'd get creative with how we use Ruggs and get the ball into his hands in a variety of ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 right, and youre right about the eat you alive part, you know I was in a 1%er club in the nola chapter (galloping goose mc) and ive seen it happen to plenty of unseasoned peeps.lol matter of fact, heres a quick little video of ex brothers down there. pretty cool video . I know its off subject but its entertaining and short. yes nola can be a little rough.lmao! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 all saints fans btw,lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr Raider said: That's not exactly all world production... That's a dominant field stretcher and big play maker for sure. But it's not a guy that takes over games consistently. That's a season about 60 guys reach a year in today's NFL reception wise, 30 reach yardage wise, and another 40-45 reach TD wise. That's not dominant. Is that worth the 12th overall pick in an extremely deep WR class. I'm not sure it is The reason that I like Ruggs more than Lamb/Jeudy is because of the 3 top WR's he's the only one that has elite traits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, big_palooka said: lol... Miami and Florida on the whole is a terrifying place if you want to find trouble. Such a diverse city, coastal town with more drugs, money back alley BS than you could care to find. Another example of a place that make Vegas look mild. Yeah exactly .... addicts/criminal minded people seek out others like them ... even if they don’t know there doing it. And those people are every where.... it’s the person not the places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Ruggs value won't be just his production though, it'll be his ability to open up looks for the rest of the offense with his speed. Plus I'm sure we'd get creative with how we use Ruggs and get the ball into his hands in a variety of ways. I’m not trying to diminish your opinion first off, just want to hear your “side” of the Ruggs vs Lamb/Jeudy debate with an open mind.... that said I keep hearing this “open up the offense/ stretch the defense” thing a lot. Full discretion: I prefer Lamb because I see him more of a high volume target with yac. He’s a guy Carr can feed the ball to. He’s got decent speed and get get deep but isn’t blowing the top of defenses in any way like Ruggs. Now I get Wanting Ruggs if we had a high volume target as Ruggs would make D’s keep Safeties deeper afraid of him getting open deep. But we don’t have that. When I hear “open things up...” it sounds like we’re getting a decoy... but we’d still lack someone to get open as a result. And I feel we could get a go deep decoy way later in the draft. That said ... I’m curious to hear what you think Ruggs could give us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: I’m not trying to diminish your opinion first off, just want to hear your “side” of the Ruggs vs Lamb/Jeudy debate with an open mind.... that said I keep hearing this “open up the offense/ stretch the defense” thing a lot. Full discretion: I prefer Lamb because I see him more of a high volume target with yac. He’s a guy Carr can feed the ball to. He’s got decent speed and get get deep but isn’t blowing the top of defenses in any way like Ruggs. Now I get Wanting Ruggs if we had a high volume target as Ruggs would make D’s keep Safeties deeper afraid of him getting open deep. But we don’t have that. When I hear “open things up...” it sounds like we’re getting a decoy... but we’d still lack someone to get open as a result. And I feel we could get a go deep decoy way later in the draft. That said ... I’m curious to hear what you think Ruggs could give us. As Chris Simms said when you're targeting a WR in the first round, it's a little worriesome when they don't have elite physical traits. Lamb and Jeudy are both very average from a physical profile standpoint. I disagree that we don't have someone that would be getting open as a result. Waller had 117 targets last season and that number should only grow as he grows into the position and we add more pieces around him (thus taking defensive attention off of him). Williams averaged 6 targets per game and was on pace for 90 targets during the first 5 weeks (pre injury) and had 1,000+ yards the only season he got 100+ targets in his career. Carr and Renfrow clearly started to build their chemistry as the year went on and he averaged roughly 7 targets per game over the last 6 weeks which would project to 109 targets over the course of a 16 game season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, Devilshark69 said: right, and youre right about the eat you alive part, you know I was in a 1%er club in the nola chapter (galloping goose mc) and ive seen it happen to plenty of unseasoned peeps.lol matter of fact, heres a quick little video of ex brothers down there. pretty cool video . I know its off subject but its entertaining and short. yes nola can be a little rough.lmao! Faces only a mother could love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Raider said: I believe Lamb has the potential to be a top 5 WR in the NFL. If he's there at 12, I take him without question. If he's gone however, I would be totally fine with waiting on a WR until 19 (Mims or Higgins would be my guy there) or even waiting and moving up into the second for one of the next group of like 6-7 guys that could be there (Hamler would be my target). I do tend to agree with the idea that Jeudy and Ruggs won't be dominant, feed them the ball in any situation type of guys. I think both will be good, Jeudy will be highly productive but situationally will be taken out by the more physical corners and Ruggs will make a bunch of splash plays but will lack the consistency to get you 85+ catches a year. I floated out the Desean Jackson comparison, and BP just mentioned it again. I agree with that type of player. Which is certainly beneficial to an offense. Lamb I see as the clear cream of the crop and has the ability to be Deandre Hopkins good. Thats worth the 12 pick to me all day long. It will also depend on the board. Even with all of that said, I can easily see a scenario where either Jeudy or Ruggs is simply the best player left at 12, and if that's the case, take them. It's not like we can't use any of them. Good post and counter to BPs excellent argument. I agree with BPs sentiment that we are in a weird position and we are probably just out of reach for the genuine difference makers. That said any of the top 3 WRs will make a big difference to us. They may never be elite and while I can envision some kind of dream draft which involves us trading down and having a number of picks from the late 1st to 3rd round and we double up on all our positions of need. But that would take some doing, not least as we might not be able to get good value on any trades. It could quite easily backfire and we end up with a load of average rookies. There is as much sense in simply getting the 12th and 19th best players and assuming they will be better than the 25th, 41st, 67th (or whatever traded picks we might get) players. Really good discussion. About time with all the passive aggressive **** swinging in here recently! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: He's my pick at 19. I like what he can bring in that role and you he has a ton of upside. I’d posted a while ago asking how high people thought was too high for him. With the seeming flattering out of prospects from about 15/16 on - he sits in that 2nd tier with some of the WRs, DBs and LBs for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, NYRaider said: As Chris Simms said when you're targeting a WR in the first round, it's a little worriesome when they don't have elite physical traits. Lamb and Jeudy are both very average from a physical profile standpoint. I disagree that we don't have someone that would be getting open as a result. Waller had 117 targets last season and that number should only grow as he grows into the position and we add more pieces around him (thus taking defensive attention off of him). Williams averaged 6 targets per game and was on pace for 90 targets during the first 5 weeks (pre injury) and had 1,000+ yards the only season he got 100+ targets in his career. Carr and Renfrow clearly started to build their chemistry as the year went on and he averaged roughly 7 targets per game over the last 6 weeks which would project to 109 targets over the course of a 16 game season. Yes Waller is a high volume target target and will absolutely increase as he gets Lee experience. I should have specifically said high volume Target on the outside. Waller tends to work short and intermediate routes. Renfrow gets similiar targets. thats why I think we need someone to produce more on the outside. We can’t clog the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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